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    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2011
    My father left the area an hour before the event, because he decided not to check out who was playing at his regular place. Probably won't be reasonably sure about everyone until monday.

    Apparently there is a manifesto, now. According to!/washingtonpost/oslo and!/stian_pride

    I should watch it because I still aspire to be someone who knows about shit like this. Not sure if I can.
    • CommentAuthorOda
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2011
    I don't think I have the stomach for ABB's manifesto. I choose not to be able to be in on that discussion, fuck it. Enough for me now.

    Picture from Den Blå Steinen in Bergen, taken by my mate Thomas Bruvik:

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    It wasn't just that he killed for right wing, Jesus loving, culture war purposes. It's that he targeted children.

    May his remaining days be filled with pain and terror...
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    Oda, that's very beautiful and very sad. So sorry for you all.
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    That's a pretty heartwarming picture, Oda. Nice reminder that the people who feel sadness and affection for the lost so greatly outnumber the one hateful man who did this.
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    "it's like a world record of people murdered by one guy in such a short time."

    That he was dressed as a cop... kids would have just been running up to him

    Fucked up
    • CommentAuthorOda
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2011
    Yeah, he told them to gather around him, that he was there because of the bombings, etc. He'd walk around there and yell to people who were hiding that they could come out, all safe now, etc...
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    I teared up at that image.
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    So so sad and disturbing. Trying to imagine the scene is horrifying in and of itself. Can't believe this, still can't. In Norway too... it seems like such a peaceful and tranquil place.
    • CommentAuthorOda
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2011
    Recommended reading: Norway is Passing the Test of Terror. I'm immensely proud of the way Norway has dealt with this. Putting compassion first, the few haters being drowned out by the Decent Human Beings. It's good to see people being their best instead of their worst after this, as both were as likely to happen.
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    My heart goes out to all those who have lost people this weekend.

    A very good piece by Charlie Brooker on the shootings and bombings particularly this:
    "Presumably he wanted to make a name for himself, which is why I won't identify him. His name deserves to be forgotten. Discarded. Deleted. Labels like "madman", "monster", or "maniac" won't do, either. There's a perverse glorification in terms like that. If the media's going to call him anything, it should call him pathetic; a nothing."

    "If anyone reading this runs a news channel, please, don't clog the airwaves with fact-free conjecture unless you're going to replace the word "expert" with "guesser" and the word "speculate" with "guess", so it'll be absolutely clear that when the anchor asks the expert to speculate, they're actually just asking a guesser to guess."
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2011 edited
    I'm not sure how I feel about our reaction to this yet. It's such a typically norwegian mix of emotions. We pride ourselves on the good bits in our culture, and that narcissism is followed through with action now. Mostly.
    There's always the fearful out there, the ignorant. But they're outnumbered now.
    Perhaps the right-wing fear-mongering will be frowned upon now.

    I've spent some summers at Utøya, and knew some who died. At the same time I'm looking at it from the perspective of old colleagues who came from afghanistan that day, and arrived back home to.. one more bomb.
    Oslo was, and is, my city. It feels wrong to be away from her, at a time like this. But I don't want to see her like this either. I don't want to think of her, and Utøya as they are now.
    I don't want to sully my memories of these places.

    Then again, I must. There is a minute of Silence at 1200 hours GMT+1 in about 25 minutes. Please, join in if you wish, and remember the dangers of black and white, fear-mongering and blind faith. :)
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    This thing pushes all the old punk buttons for me. This is the reason we used to go around bashing skinheads. Hurt 'em bad enough and they'll never hurt anyone else again. We were wrong, it wasn't an answer, it's never an answer, but the intuition that the very existence of these people was a threat to everyone on Earth was correct.

    Fuck all these Nazis. Burn their churches. Ban their gangs. I wish we could, without betraying what makes us us in the first place.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2011
    Already seeing videogames being blamed for this in various places. *sigh*.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2011
    Melanie Phillips is getting some blame too. Which is probably about right for once.
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2011
    So I've just read an article that claims that it is multiculturalism and not violent extremism that is the bigger threat to Europe. It's on the Jersusalem Post's website. I am not going to give them a link.
    (granted the editor-in-chief has added a disclaimer, but still...)
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2011
    Quite a lot of non-EU countries have expressed that political view. There are newspaper quotes on the BBC news site along those lines from various middle-eastern countries as well as Russia and Israel.

    It's odd for people to suddenly start thinking multiculturalism isn't working given many countries in Europe have been that way for centuries already. England has been multicultural for as long as it's been called England. And probably for longer than that.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2011
    Yeah, blaming multiculturalism for nutters having a problem with it is like saying it's black people's fault that racism exists...
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2011 edited
    Exactly..anyway, show me this 'racial purity' the racist fuckwits talk about - wasn't it discovered recently that all Non-Africans have a small percentage of Neanderthal DNA from interbreeding with early european cro-magnons...
    • CommentAuthorWood
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2011
    I think in Europe "Multiculturalism" has become another way of saying "non-white people".