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      CommentAuthorLuke
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2011
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    There only are two trades, so you should really start with Swimming in Blood.
    • CommentAuthorEvilPants
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2011
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    Will I need to know Judge Dredd in order to enjoy Devlin Waugh or the Simping Detective?

    I just started Caballistics Inc, based on the recommendations here. Good stuff so far!

    I've got Stickleback and Red Seas on order right now, and I think I'm going to try to tackle Strontium Dog....
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    re. Simping Detective - i'd say it wouldn't hurt to know some dredd - even to understand the whole 'Simping' thing. and the story ties in with some previous Dredd storylines and characters. i've heard rumours that the guy who wrote it hangs around here so he might chip in on this.

    Devlin Waugh - not so much.

    absolutely do the first of the big Strontium Dog anthologies. (i'm such a fanboy)
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      CommentAuthorOsmosis
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2011
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    For what it's worth, I really, really enjoyed Leviathan, and it's out in a very nice hardcover collection, so that's my tip. As much as there is any "type", it's not really standard 2000AD fare, though.
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    ^me too.
    • CommentAuthorEvilPants
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2011
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    @ian Holloway - Ok, thanks. I'll check the Simping and Devin out after I finish up the ones I've ordered or started on.

    @Osmosis - Yeah, I have the Leviathan softcover (I think it's the North American edition), and love it. That and Button Man are probably my favourite of the 2000AD stuff I've read thus far. I "discovered" Scarlet Traces a few years ago and really enjoyed it, so it's probably no surpise that it's Edgtinton's stuff that I've responded to the most.

    The big problem is availability of trades. Even the ones that are technically in print in North America are hard to track down. Still, I'm having fun tracking all of this "new" stuff down. I found the Button Man trades on line and should be getting those this week.

    Thanks for all the help, and feel free to keep the suggestions coming!
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    i enjoyed the second volume of Button Man even more than the first.
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      CommentAuthorOsmosis
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2011
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    Mmm, I would like to get into Button Man. I read Book III (I think) in real-time in the comic, but this was pre-Rebellion, pre-huge-collections-of-everything days, so I didn't have the backstory down. I've noticed them out in the shops. I remember Arthur Ranson's obviously-photoref'ed art making Harry look like Mel Gibson a lot of the time. It was kind of a fun secondary part of the story to figure out who he was using for supporting characters ...
    • CommentAuthorEvilPants
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2011 edited
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    Ok. So I've finished a few books, based on the suggestions of those here, and elsewhere.

    - The Bendatti Vendetta - A well-executed, if not terribly original thriller. The premise and characters are strong enough to warrant the trade, though I can't say I'm screaming for more.

    - Shakara. Or Shakara! if you'd prefer. Man, did I enjoy this. I think a case could be argued that as a space epic, there aren't enough twists and turns to justify as many pages as it got, but the premise is so entertaining, so action-packed, so full of emotional impact that one doesn't care. How is this not a movie? Seriously? I think Cate Blanchett could pull off the lead, yes?

    - Nikolai Dante - I read the first trade. Enjoyed it for the most part. Not really sure if I'm going to continue however. What say you all? How do the rest of the trades compare to the first?

    - Button Man - I've read the first thrill and second thrills, and am ordering the rest in trade. More than any other thrill I've read, this is the one that I think would translate to North American audiences the most. Really simple concept, and one that is ripe for the pickings of TV or movie producers, I think. The more John Wagner I read, the less I understand how he's not more well known on my side of the pond. And I haven't even touched the Dredd stuff yet. Great action comic.

    - The Simping Detective - Just read this today, in fact, as my comic shop actually had it in stock. It took me a little while to realize why this had been pimped earlier, since I'm relatively new to this board. Duh. Ok, here goes: this thing was fantastic. Irving is known to me for his occasional DC work, and so the beauty of the piece wasn't really a surprise. But the writing was. My internet hat is off to you, sir. What I liked about it is that this is a true noir first, Judge Dredd spin-off second. An extremely well-written noir to boot. Although it would be easy to rest on the concept (it's a clown that solves crimes, yay!), that would be the coward's way out. And this is definitely not the work of a coward. Despite the noir truisms, the sheer ballsiness of the writing makes this come across as fresh as a daisy. Did I struggle a little due to not knowing anything about the Dredd world? A little, sure. But just a little common sense helped with that, and I rarely (although not never, if I'm being honest) felt as if the Dredd connections detracted from the story. However, there is just enough Dredd baggage to ensure that non Dredd readers would be hesitant to give this a shot. All in all, a great read.

    - Caballistics, Inc. Not done yet, but I'm definitely enjoying this. I always love the old "I fell in love with a demon!" chestnut, and I'm curious to see how it's going to play out.

    - Leviathan - As previously mentioned, this was probably the first one I read, and I'm glad. Like The Simping Detective, this works as a murder mystery first and foremost. That the murderer is a 50 metre tall immortal demon only adds to the story.

    So far, I'm really enjoying this "new" comic book that I've discovered. I'll be checking out the Dredds, and Slaines, and ABC Warriors, and Strontium Dogs out soon. One question: If I only was to get the VERY best Dredd stories collected, what should they be? The casebooks? Or the ones by Wagner that have Zombie-Dredd on the cover? Everyone seems to like those?
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    Zombie-Dredd? do you mean the Judge Death ones - guy with a portcullis on helmet instead of visor?

    personally, and this is unfortunately the expensive option, I'd try and work my way through the complete case-files and just sit back and watch at how good John Wagner was, got and is.

    oh and the Judge Death (four dark judges) storyline crops up in one of the early volumes (#3 i think) so you wouldn't have long to wait.
    • CommentAuthorEvilPants
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2011
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    Yes, that's the one. I'm tempted by the Case Files, but I'm really trying to avoid them. Not so much money as space. That's a lot of shelf space taken up by one character :-)
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    it would be a very easy thing to step in at the third volume as back then the stories were predominantly self contained and yeah they do take up some serious shelf space.
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2011
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    Glad you're enjoying yourself, chap! I reckon it's worth persevering with Dante. To my mind, it's only got richer, darker and more epic in scale as time's gone on. Once you're familiar with the individual members of the warring families, you're in for some serious intrigue.
    • CommentAuthorEvilPants
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2011
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    Good to know @curb, thanks. That's basically what I was hoping for. The first trade works well as a light hearted adventure story, but I was hoping for a little more pathos. I'll give them a shot. Eventually. Once I read everything else I ordered. And paid for them. And figured out where to put them on my shelves. Sigh....

    Oh, you Englishers...first you inflict Will and Kate on my country all summer, and now this.

    Thanks again for all the help, folks!
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    Britishers please
    • CommentAuthorEvilPants
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2011
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    Yes, right. Apologies all around. Britishers, indeed! Thanks for the help sir!
    • CommentAuthorEmperor
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2011
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    I was going to throw in a link to my answers to a recent remarkably similar request for recommendations. Then I realised you'd started both threads. Then I thought "sod it, someone might find it useful." Then I added it here.

    I'd definitely recommend you continue with Dante it is a great sprawling epic - the early episodes now seem a little rough around the edges, when compared to the slick beast it is today, but you really need to read this and from the beginning. It is one of the best things from after the mid-90s slump (in fact it was one of the early glimmers that the great ship 2000AD had been slowly steered around onto a more promising course) and quite possibly in the top ten of best 2000AD stories ever.

    Button Man - I've read the first thrill and second thrills, and am ordering the rest in trade. More than any other thrill I've read, this is the one that I think would translate to North American audiences the most. Really simple concept, and one that is ripe for the pickings of TV or movie producers, I think.


    The film prospects look hopeful, although I'd have thought they might have got this greenlit after the success of A History of Violence.

    The big problem is availability of trades. Even the ones that are technically in print in North America are hard to track down.


    The current run of US-printed trades distributed by Simon and Schuster should all be easy enough to find. The older DC material can get tricky. Possibly the best bet for international buyers is the Book Depository, as it is free worldwide shipping. If you are in the UK then check out Mongoose's sale. There are also digital trades at the 2000AD shop and at DriveThruComics (who recently had a sale).
    • CommentAuthorEvilPants
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2011
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    Awesome. Thanks Emperor, for you help both here and elsewhere. You've gone above and beyond, sir.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2011
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    If you're going with just a single Dredd story, then I still think 'America' is the one to go for. We're still a good number of volumes away from that turning up in the collections, but it's been collected in trade on it's own a few times now.
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      CommentAuthorOsmosis
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2011
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    Hey, EvilPants -- if you liked Frazer Irving (as I certainly do), you could do far worse than looking at Necronauts. Charles Fort, Arthur Conan Doyle, Harry Houdini and HP Lovecraft fighting Old Ones with cricket bats.

    .... shit, that makes it sound amazing! Need to reread it ...

    I'm ploughing through the Judge Dredd Case Files with the help of the local library (sorry, Rebellion) - the investment of £10-12 a throw for 18 volumes and counting is just too much for me. Despite pangs of freeloading guilt, I can only sing their praises. The Apocalypse War, the attack of the Fatties, the Dark Judges are all incredible. Like Ian says, it's very satisfying watching the strip become more self-aware, John Wagner become more confident, and the stories become sophisticated and treacle-dark.

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