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  1.  (10124.1)
    London whitechapelers, you all safe?
  2.  (10124.2)
    Not sure what's going on. This somehow missed my newsfeed and I googled...
    O,O
    from the Guardian;
    Sounds scary.
  3.  (10124.3)
    was working so safe... glad people don't accept that the police can kill people... not entirelysure they went about it the right way... but freedom is only bought by the blood of patriots etc.... we'll see wht happens
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011
     (10124.4)
    My understanding is that the chap who was shot by the police had already fired at them and wounded a police officer, the circumstaces are still a bit unknown though.

    A full on riot is a slight overreaction though...
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011
     (10124.5)
    The police's story seems to contradict witnesses' versions of events. Which is why there's such strong feeling. Fuck knows what really happened though.

    Most built up areas in the UK are a giant seething mess of resentment and tension at the moment, so the slightest thing is going to set it all off. This won't be the last riot this year, I'm thinking.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011
     (10124.6)


    A witness claims that the protest turned to rioting after police attacked a 16 year old girl who approached police lines in order to ask questions. She possibly got in their faces, rather than being totally inoffensive, but fuuuuuck.
  4.  (10124.7)
    It's the same area which witnessed riots - under similar circumstances - in the 80's. Speaking to my Tottenham mates, there's a sense that certain people have been waiting for an excuse for Round #2. Nobody wants to wait and see if the cops were in the right over the minicab shooting; easier to blame them for being deliberately obstructive in their investigation. Watching events with interest.
    • CommentAuthorEvJ
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011
     (10124.8)
    easier to blame them for being deliberately obstructive in their investigation.

    Without for a moment apologising for those who rioted and looted, the disbelief was the police's own fault really. After a series of high-profile problems from de Menezes to Mark Kennedy to the Fortnum and Mason occupiers, even the phone hacking resignations, they've lost the moral authority to expect calm based solely on their word of honour that they acted appropriately in shooting this guy. Even I'm wondering why they had to jump him in a minicab instead of just knocking on his door (while armed and aware of his apparent danger, of course) and asking him politely to come down the station.

    It's all well and good for most of the UK that losing trust in the police means they worry that Charlie Gilmour was the victim of grave injustice. But for some people, not trusting the police is much more personally pressing concern than for others. Those people need to be able to believe the word of the police top brass, and right now, I completely understand that they just can't.
  5.  (10124.9)
    The Guardian's now reporting that the initial assessment of the bullet found lodged in a police radio is that it was police issue. Which clearly isn't going to calm things down. Jesus, I'm glad I'm 70 miles from London right now...
  6.  (10124.10)
    I´m amazed it hasn't spread to other areas of London (although it did go as far as Wood Green)

    Man It's not a good time to be in North London right now. With so many conflicting reports and polarized views it's almost impossible to really pin down the hows and whys of all this.

    Example @oddcult, the guardian had a witness saying that the girl was throwing things at the police line, which then caused them to rush her en masse. But right now, i don't know which version to believe...
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      CommentAuthorOsmosis
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011
     (10124.11)
    I'm a norf Landanah and this is pretty nearby. I was in a tent in a field in north Yorkshire when this was all kicking off, but thanks for the concern, Ananzitusq.

    At this point I don't have much to add to the commentary already provided, as I'm just back in the Great Wen and trying to get up to speed myself.
  7.  (10124.12)
    Scrap my last post. It seems to spreading to Enfield right now.
  8.  (10124.13)
    @Osmosis
    welcome.

    I've been trying to follow developments on Twitter but it's getting more and more chaotic as the hours pass.
  9.  (10124.14)
    The rumours and potential for lethally inflammatory rumours to blow things up is scary, when the IPCC head has had to outright deny that the guy was 'assassinated with a series of headshots' - things are headed for a whole new ballpark of batshit.
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      CommentAuthorCat Vincent
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011 edited
     (10124.15)
    And now it's jumped the river - Brixton riots reported.
    :Guardian live feed:

    Whatever the cause or provocation on either side, the problem now is it's gone memetic. I hate to say it, but I expect similar in other areas, even other cities, soon - unless it (hopefully) dies off.
    (Side bet - my local hotspot of Stoke's Croft will be along shortly.)
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011
     (10124.16)
    Brixton's going up.

    Ah. Cat got there before me...

    Yeah, if Stoke's Croft gets an excuse it'll go. Same with Bradford and Luton.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011
     (10124.17)
    Add Walthamstow and Hackney. Fuuu...
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2011
     (10124.18)
    Oh, and the Daily Fail is blaming 'Anarchists' for the riots. Like the ones that were locked up for the royal wedding, I suppose.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2011
     (10124.19)
    It does seem this second round of rioting is basically organised looting parites set up via twitter. Doesn't seem to be much political motivation beyond 'hey, smash windows and get free stuff' at the moment.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2011
     (10124.20)
    ^ - sometimes that's political. It happens for reasons that show a disengagement with politics and social policy failure, at any rate, and (with notable exceptions, sure) seems emblematic of a Tory government.

    I'm not saying that makes it okay or excusable, but it's what follows when there's a perceived breakdown of the social contract or extreme action by the authorities.

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