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    • CommentAuthorbadbear
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
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    @jonah

    They spray protesting crowds with paint like that in Iran so that they can find the protestors later and shoot them without the international community noticing.

    I know you didn't mean it like that. I feel like it might set a bad precedent thats all.

    The cleanup in clapham junction:


    Ian Leslie has a wonderful article about it all too:

    Rioting is imitative behaviour compressed and sped up. The people who study crowds will tell you that such behaviour is massively complex: it involves individuals with their own internal motivations reacting to groups, and groups reacting to the actions of individuals, and everything happening very fast. It's top-down and bottom-up, each feeding off the other. So it's always difficult to discern 'root causes' because these things taken on a momentum of their own. But the current riots seem peculiarly rootless compared to previous outbreaks, like the Broadwater Farm riots, when the grievances seemed clearer and more tangible.

    Violent behaviour doesn't spread easily. In cities like London where security is relatively light touch - with roughly 200 people for every police officer - order relies on a kind of invisible contract among the people that live there. That's the basis of any community. It also relies on fear of punishment or public shaming. When people float free of the felt, tactile, social bonds of a community, they become more subject to influence from outside it.
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    If anyone outside London wants to help people made homeless by the riots, you can donate clothes and bedding by sending to the following address:
    Tottenham Green Leisure Cntr,1 Philip Lane, N15 4JA

    Source here.
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    At this point, this is mostly about roughly 0.5% of the population of London realizing they outnumber the police about 10:1 and that if they keep moving, at least in the short term, the police can't stop them from taking shit.
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    Yeah I was thinking that last night. The kiddies have finally figured out that social networking is useful for stuff other than parties and bullying.
    Criminal flash mobs.
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      CommentAuthorGekko
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
     (10129.65)
    Hey lads, just a few lines to say I'm angry to feel so useless stuck as I am far from London. I wish I could help. I have some friends there, and we planned to gather in Notting Hill for the street parties of the Bank Holiday. Of course I am a million times less worried about the carnival cancelation than by the present situation. But I think I'll come anyway especially if there's still help to be offered (hopefully things will be fixed by then but I really mean it) I feel so sorry. Do take care you all.
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      CommentAuthorYoav
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011 edited
     (10129.66)
    "It costs money to care. But it also costs money to clear up riots, savagery and antisocial behaviour. I leave it to you to do the financial and moral sums."

    Brilliant article Apologizes if already posted.

    Pretty bloody intense in London. Lived here my whole life and never seen anything like this. Fucking Tory, big cunting society, elitist, EMA scrapping, tuition fee-raising, NHS fucking, social service screwing, corrupt press empire inflating, privileged, HOPE DESTROYING FUCKERS. Steal peoples dignity and they will turn mean. Not justification. Just inevitability.

    ... and now they are going to start locking at 7 and 8 year olds. Nice little timebomb for the future Bulger stylee...
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      CommentAuthortaphead
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
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    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
     (10129.68)
    I think we're probably going to be seeing films about this for years to come.

    Interesting how 'Attack the Block' suddenly becomes even more relevant as a piece of social sci-fi, when it was supposed to just be a monster movie.
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      CommentAuthorGekko
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
     (10129.69)
    @Oddcut
    You remember it happened in France a few years back and it just stopped. But (and i apologize if I sound sarcy) at least the events helped the creation of a DC hero. Adversity is so easily a source of inspiration.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
     (10129.70)
    Yeah, 'got bored, went home to nurse looted Jack Daniels hangover' is probably going to be as much a cause of this stopping as anything the police will do.
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    Violence is the last resource of the stupid.

    What good is this havoc? Who will ultimately profit with that? The ultra-conservcatives, that's who! Hope they're stopped!
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    the right to protest falls flat by misuse.
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    My good friend who I only just posted in the musicians thread has lost everything. The shop beneath her flat in ealing was looted and torched which went up and destroyed her flat.

    she got out beforehand unscathed, managed to save her violin, anyone who's been watching Sky news may have seen her interview.

    my brother got a broken window but nothing more, pretty lucky considering where in hackney he lives.
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    IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commission) says that Mark Duggan didn't fire, the police did.
    Shit.
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    Knightsbridge and Hyde park tube closed, as the whole areas been cordoned. Can't have the rich areas going up. I imagine a good percentage of the 16000 police officers will be there.
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    I work in knightsbridge, left work around 4, everything looked 100% normal. maybe saw 2 or 3 policemen just walking their normal route... still just tons of tourists about, none of the shops had closed early unlike tottenham court road when i went up there on my way home, most of those were closed up already.
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    BLAM BLAM BASMATI BAD MAN GONNA EAT LIKE A MOTHERFUCKING EMPEROR YOU FEEL ME?
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      CommentAuthorGekko
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
     (10129.78)
    Thoroughly written point of view on Global Comment. Sorry if already posted here but I think not.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
     (10129.79)
    Larger than normal police prescence in Guildford this evening, but given that the normal police prescence is 'one copper, if you're lucky' it doesn't take much to look like they're going full out. Rumours floating that there's some sort of trouble being organised, but I imagine there are similar rumours in every town and city across the UK this evening.

    Not really expecting much to happen here, this is the ConDem alliance heartland after all, but as I live above a shop I've packed myself a bag with some essentials to cover me if I do have to bail.

    And I never thought I'd see the day that I felt the need to do that. Given I *grew up* in the part of Nottingham that had a load of trouble last night and never felt unsafe *there* all through Thatcher's 80's... Well, I don't know what to think really.
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    Continue to watch out and stay safe, everyone. Pissant energy will run out soon enough.

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