Wed, 22 May 2013 11:14:51 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307987#Comment_307987 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307987#Comment_307987 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 03:34:34 -0700 William George Shut up and take my art money!

]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307989#Comment_307989 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307989#Comment_307989 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 04:15:20 -0700 Jamie Heron
Oh so very nifty...

(I like how they have separate sections on their website for comic artists, animators and whatnot) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307990#Comment_307990 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307990#Comment_307990 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 04:34:10 -0700 vandalhandle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307992#Comment_307992 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307992#Comment_307992 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 05:07:03 -0700 Wood a very similar product. It didn't sell very well, though. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307993#Comment_307993 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307993#Comment_307993 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:01:04 -0700 archizero http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307995#Comment_307995 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307995#Comment_307995 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:30:56 -0700 Jason A. Quest they're hedging on what it's capable of: "...for the front end of the creative process. Later, refine your work on your computer..."

So... who likes sketching with a ballpoint pen? I don't. When working on paper I use a pencil, because it allows me to make everything from barely-discernable hints to dark and confident lines, and because it's easy to erase. A ballpoint isn't like that.

And I already have a pretty good piece of technology for "capturing a digital likeness* of your sketch" (pencil or pen): a scanner. One advantage this device has over that is that it can capture it as vector data. But I work in raster mode (e.g. Photoshop, not Illustrator) so that doesn't do anything for me.

I'm not saying this is going to be useless. It does offer some natural advantages over working with an Intuos or Bamboo, where you're looking at the screen while moving your stylus around on the desk. It's a familiar, instinctive tool. But I'm not sure it's going to live up to the quality expectations... the hopes... of people who want a way to have their traditional media cake and eat it digitally too. After picking up a used TabletPC for drawing away from my desk, this would be a step backward for me.

*Note the weasel word: not "capturing your sketch"... just a "likeness" of it. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307999#Comment_307999 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=307999#Comment_307999 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:22:40 -0700 mojokingbee http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308002#Comment_308002 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308002#Comment_308002 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:36:09 -0700 mercurialblonde http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308022#Comment_308022 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308022#Comment_308022 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:30:03 -0700 Yskaya
If you're used to thinking in layers (for vector illustrations) already and your art is smooth (ie no excessive crosshatching**)

-it'll save time on post-scan clean up.
-at art-conventions you can give your sketch away without taking a picture.
-the refills for the ballpoint (unless they added a mod to the tube) without label and with a-label range between € 0.90 to € 2.00

I hope it lives up to the buzz and it's allure, as soon as I can I'll give it a test drive and report back.


*eye of the beholder
**one can never have enough crosshatching action ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308025#Comment_308025 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308025#Comment_308025 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:47:37 -0700 glukkake I also like drawing in ballpoint in my sketchbook. The going straight to vector would also make this incredibly useful for all the recent lasercutting work I've been up to. I spend so much time cleaning up my work so it can be properly used and this would save me a lot of time.

If they can keep it at a decently low price point, I'll probably pick this up. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308045#Comment_308045 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308045#Comment_308045 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:07:07 -0700 Jason A. Quest http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308050#Comment_308050 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308050#Comment_308050 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:00:17 -0700 William George So... who likes sketching with a ballpoint pen?

I use a pad of A4 graph paper and a ballpoint. A nice ballpoint because I like my ink solid even if it is a scribble, but a ballpoint.

To me this Inkling seems like a good match for my normal workflow. I'm thinking I can do my layouts on A4 and finishes in computer. Save me the cost and effort of hunting down the increasingly rare A4 doujinshi comic paper here (Hell, even the B4 stuff is getting harder to find outside of the big cities) With the original being on a piece of paper, you'll always have a back up for your digital file. And I do think that con sketchers can use it to make their own copies of what they gave away for their own uses. For people who have gone fully digital, this may not be all that useful, but who knows? I think it'd be great for people like me who are straddling the paper/digital art divide.

The only serious failing I can see is that it may become a pain in the ass to get replacements for the ink if the product doesn't become common enough. I had to go through a few hoops to get replacement nibs for my stylus a year back and the Bamboo is pretty common.

So far it seems to be more win than fail. But everything sort of depends on the reviews of those first few buyers. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308064#Comment_308064 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308064#Comment_308064 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:30:14 -0700 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308082#Comment_308082 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308082#Comment_308082 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:36:07 -0700 jesserubenfeld
]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308083#Comment_308083 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308083#Comment_308083 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 01:38:17 -0700 aike http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308084#Comment_308084 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308084#Comment_308084 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 02:56:57 -0700 Paul Duffield I'm looking forward to hearing first hand what its shortcomings are. It's a tempting purchase, especially for con sketching. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308268#Comment_308268 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308268#Comment_308268 Sat, 03 Sep 2011 04:38:04 -0700 Greasemonkey http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308285#Comment_308285 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308285#Comment_308285 Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:13:20 -0700 ScottS http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308427#Comment_308427 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308427#Comment_308427 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 04:00:00 -0700 Yskaya
Robert Hranitzky|motion Graphics Design (DE) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308440#Comment_308440 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308440#Comment_308440 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 06:28:05 -0700 evilhare http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308464#Comment_308464 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308464#Comment_308464 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:30:45 -0700 Jason A. Quest unbiased user report :) ... but it does describe in better detail how the device works and what it's good for. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308486#Comment_308486 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308486#Comment_308486 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:25:34 -0700 Yskaya

Eagerly awaiting Aike's Missus report on it.

Inkling is on it's way to me, and I've cursed their graphite 3 to hell twice.
Both models broke within a week after the warranty ran out, no heavy-metal level use either. Their intuous 3 purrs like a kitten for almost 2 years -close to warranty date so hope not jinx it- ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308529#Comment_308529 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308529#Comment_308529 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:47:26 -0700 William George
This definitely looks like it fits my workflow. I think I can do page layouts on the paper and then finishes in the computer with a new layer or two... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308574#Comment_308574 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308574#Comment_308574 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:34:42 -0700 Anoxia
Will report my findings, like many others here, once I've had some time with it. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308590#Comment_308590 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308590#Comment_308590 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 12:45:32 -0700 smerwin http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308670#Comment_308670 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308670#Comment_308670 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:45:27 -0700 jonah
Last I tried turning pixels into vectors was inaccurate and really slowed down my computer. I'm interested in how this performs.

ETA: I just looked at how you have to hold it. Oh, well. Also, this would be pretty neat to attach to your index finger. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308672#Comment_308672 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308672#Comment_308672 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:50:52 -0700 aike http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308674#Comment_308674 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308674#Comment_308674 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 03:51:29 -0700 Paul Duffield It's pressure sensitive, so I imagine the nib is hooked into the pen in some way that can't be modified because it needs to connect to the cartridge inside too. I'd be even more interested than I am now if it *was* possible to use it as a pencil without breaking it though. I do all my lines in pencil. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308687#Comment_308687 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308687#Comment_308687 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 07:54:20 -0700 Jason A. Quest
And furthermore, what would be the point? The main advantage of graphite is that it can be erased, but this setup doesn't support that concept. A Cintiq or TabletPC (with an eraser) comes closer to mimicking that experience than a "Graphiteling" would. The other benefit of graphite is its subtler mark-making properties, based on the angle you're holding it, how worn the tip is, etc. (in addition to pressure). A device like the Inkling wouldn't be able to capture that. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308690#Comment_308690 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308690#Comment_308690 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:30:29 -0700 William George A device like the Inkling wouldn't be able to capture that.

True. But the Inkling doesn't cost two thousand bucks. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308708#Comment_308708 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308708#Comment_308708 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:12:06 -0700 Jason A. Quest
(Neither does a decent draw-on-the-screen tablet, for that matter. I spent less than $300 on the used TabletPC slate that I do most of my work on, and there are new machines available for not much more than $1K.)

I'm a complete convert to digital media; I'm not even sure where in the house my last pad of bristol is hiding. But if I wanted the look and feel of traditional media I'd use traditional media. I use digital media because it lets me do things I can't do with a pencil and pen. Like erasing my pen strokes. :) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308770#Comment_308770 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308770#Comment_308770 Thu, 08 Sep 2011 03:47:10 -0700 William George
I plan to use it for comic layouts with the finishes being digital. Like all tools, it has it's uses. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308846#Comment_308846 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10188&Focus=308846#Comment_308846 Thu, 08 Sep 2011 20:06:28 -0700 taphead
WANT.

The vector format is a huge damn bonus here, as is the way you can actually see what you're drawing. I've played around with various Wacoms before, but the disconnect between the stylus and the screen has always been a bit much for my poor brain. This solves that by being an actual pen. (The only problem is this is a ballpoint, and they are generally my nemeses. Still, intrigued.) ]]>