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    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2011

    The color palette from The Darjeeling Limited brings me so much joy. I want to decorate my house like the movie. I know that there's a lot of artists here. Anyone want to take a shot at naming the Pantone (or other color reference) for the predominant blues, yellows, greens and oranges in the film? Specifically the train interior and exterior.
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011 edited
    So i originally posted this on teh twits0rz last night, but I think it's worth chucking it in here too...

    I have just finished watching the entire run of Star Trek's TOS and TNG, and have now hit a blank as to what TV series I should start watching next. Imagine if you will that I have not watched *any* SF TV series in say, the last decade.

    What would you recommend I watch next, Whitechapel?

    A list of the current suggestions follows, so you can avoid duplication:

    Babylon 5
    The 4400
    The various Stargate U titles
    Cowboy Bebop
    Black Lagoon
    Andromeda (season one)

    (as you can see, anime is allowed, as long as it's not too ecchi.)

    As you could guess from my Star Trek fandom, I prefer the episodic as oppossed to the 'series long overwheening plot arc' type programme - so I will ignore any suggestions of Lost for instance. Character progression is good, having to set up a spreadsheet to follow innumerable different subplots across multiple series is not. Also, I cannot stand Dr Who (*ducks for cover*)

    So, Whitechapel, if there is anything else you think I should be watching, then #SuggestSFTellyForSneak.
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011
    Torchwood (I know, its DW related but still separate)
      CommentAuthorCameron C.
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011

    I already suggested The 4400 on twatter, it was the first thing that came into my brains cause Ive been thinking about watching it a third time. At various moments in time people have vanished from Earth and then all reappear at the same moment in near a lake in Washington state an the returned 4400 people have no recollection of what has happened during their missing time. Some people have been gone for a few years and, in some cases, much longer. It lasted 4 seasons I think and aside from a single episode in season 4 that had some silly moments I think its pretty much perfect, despite its cancellation leaving it without a proper ending.

    Tales of Tomorrow (A bunch of episodes available to watch at is a black and white anthology show from THE OLDEN DAYS that has a mostly scifi flavor. Considering it's almost 60 years old there is some really awesome stuff in there that is worth watching. In particular, there is one episode that is really great, though sort of spoiled by its modern methods of availability... but if you were watching TV one night and that just aired without viewer comments on the bottom of the page to spoil the gimmick... would be pretty neat to watch. I'm gonna provide a direct link to that episode - a 114meg mp4 video file - that you can download directly from (Or probably stream it in chrome if you open it in a new tab) so the episode title/comments and stuff dont give anything away. For its time I think its pretty darn ambitious, though technology now a days doesnt allow us to be tricked for even a moment by stuff like this. Its only 20 minutes or something.

    Another one I really like is Total Recall 2070. I know this dont help Sneak, but Hulu has the full show (All... 1 season) here: though I have a very good feeling there is a torrent out there somewhere... >_>; It is set in a total recall/blade runner sort of world. There isnt a way I can describe it that wont make other people just shrug, but its pretty awesome if given a chance. It follows two CPB agents (Citizens Protection Bureau) and deals with a lot of the stuff you would assume it does given the setting/"source" - robots and memory tampering. The season arching plot involves a lot of corporate politics and espionage and is pretty awesome, though it is largely a cop show set in this dark future world that allows for some good watching. There is one episode that involves a computer hacker that is inadvertently silly (Its always the techno jargon that ages so poorly >< ) but its a pretty cool show.

    Those are the ones I would most recommend, chosen due to their awesomeness and the fact that they arent very well known.

    Umm... I like to recommend Fringe to people. Most say the first season isnt that good but I greatly disagree, though I acknowledge season 2 is pretty much perfect. Season 3 was perfect for most of it but after the last half... I dont know how pumped I am for the premier of season 4 this friday.

    I really liked Dollhouse. Dont get me wrong - those first five or so episodes are almost painful to watch... HEY LETS PUT ELIZA DUSHKU IN SITUATIONS WHERE SHE IS HALF NAKED AND DANCING SO PEOPLE WILL WATCH. Sorry Fox, I have an internet full of porn, just give me an awesome scifi show. But it becomes good and the last season is just pretty unbelievable in terms of the where the story goes. Only two seasons.

    The X-Files is still one of the most creepy and unnerving shows Ive seen. At least, it has the capacity to be. I watched one episode just yesterday that... just... absolutely FREAKED ME OUT. Season 4 Episode 2: Home. god damn, I swear if I had seen that at night I wouldnt have slept that night.

    If cartoons are valid suggestions, the 1990s show Phantom 2040 is awesome, and features a lot of pretty mature and complex scifi themes. Theres PROBABLY a torrent somewhere >_> I mean, Id guess <_< It follows a later incarnation of The Phantom as he does battle against, primarily, Maximum, Inc. and its ruling Madison family. Lots of politics and well known scifi themes about identity pop up. Really great.
    • CommentAuthorrough night
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011 edited

    Alphas - watch a couple whole episodes before deciding; it starts off a bit rocky but improves rapidly.
    Warehouse 13 - good solid fun.
      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011 edited

    I'm actually going to suggest against watching Lexx - your mileage may vary, but the entire show just felt like a really poorly-made softcore porn parody of Red Dwarf, to me.

    A few personal favorites of mine, some of which are a little tough to buy, but which you could probably torrent easily enough.

    SeaQuest: This show could be a bit goofy and handwave-y at times, but it was just plain fun to watch. The quickest way to describe it would be "Star Trek on a submarine," but that sorta makes it sound like a downgrade, and it really isn't - a lot of the space exploration tropes made famous by Star Trek actually work a LOT better underwater, and the writers and crew did a pretty good job of making the science seem plausible. The acting is pretty hit or miss - on the one hand, you've got Roy Scheider and Peter DeLuise, who have a little bit of a Patrick Stewart-Brent Spiner vibe in the second season... then on the other hand you've got a few actors who are either taking the show WAY too seriously, or who are just straight up taking the piss. On the whole, though (especially the funny and well-detailed first season), this was a good show that got a little hamstrung early in life, and never quite got to develop into something really cool.

    Space: Above and Beyond: If you want military sci-fi, but you don't necessarily want the longform storytelling of, say, Battlestar Galactica, this is what you're looking for. You've got a fun mix of starfighters and space marines (the same guys and gals - apparently military role specialization has gone out the window in the future), and the evil space aliens are suitably creepy. The show also makes use of the almost unseen concept that mankind would NOT first unite as a single political entity before it went out an conquered the stars - the main characters are United States Marines, they answer to the POTUS, and if memory serves there's even a few shots of the House of Representatives debating funds for the space navy. Later on, a few characters from the Royal Navy show up. For some reason, that just makes me smile. If all that's not enough, the first episode even has R. Lee Ermey more or less reprising his role in Full Metal Jacket insult-for-insult.

    Note that neither of these are exactly the brainiest of SF television shows, but they make for good, entertaining viewing, and in some ways their like will probably never be seen again - SFTV has just changed too much to allow them to last longer than three episodes. So, if you want a kind of primer on recent SFTV history, these are the shows to get a load of.
      CommentAuthorCat Vincent
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011 edited

    I suggested B5 earlier. If you're looking for shows that take a wee bit less time, I suggest two of my favourite one-season-wonders.

    Nowhere Man Actually a 90s show. Controversial shutterbug Tom Veil took the wrong photo and a mysterious government organisation has his entire identity erased. His colleagues, friends, even his wife... refuse to admit they know him. That's just the pilot. Show evolves rapidly into the closest thing to a version of The Fugitive meets The Prisoner as US TV ever got. Key is Bruce Greenwood as Veil - stunning work every week.

    Charlie Jade Canadian/South African co-production. You may have heard Fringe plays with ideas of
    multi-dimensional overlap,
    perhaps? Charlie Jade did this first, and went one better...
    three overlapping parallel universes - ours, an idyllic green 'verse and a deeply cyberpunk, polluted corporate wasteland, which Charlie calls home.
    Clever SF that assumes audience is smart enough to keep up, and has one of the great antiheroes of TV - a man called 01 Boxer.

    And you can't go wrong with Misfits for grimy, filthy-mouther Brit superpowers in the hands of young offenders on day-release. 2 seasons so far, S3 about to air. Short seasons,. so time to catch up.

    But really... Babylon 5 is something everyone should watch at least once. Not perfect but what it got right it did superbly, and before any other SF (or other genre) show... the long story arc.
      CommentAuthorCameron C.
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011
    @Alan Tyson: OMG SEAQUEST I REMEMBER THAT SHOW. Damn, barely. This I wanna revisit.
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011
    Amazing suggestions guys..

    First off I may have bent the truth ever so slightly when I said about not seeing *any* SF TV for the last decade, I have managed to catch at least an episode or two of most things suggested -but never managed to either be in the same place/time to catch the broadcasts for more than a week or two at a time.

    Onto the suggestions made so far I would like to make a few short comments.

    In a kind of reverse order of suggestion: Charlie Jade sounds right up my street, particularly the
    overlapping parallel universes
    . That's definitely going straight onto the list.
    Something is nagging at the back of my brain telling me I have seen some of Nowhere Man, but I have no actual memory of it.
    I did catch at least 50% of B5 first time round, so I really need to finish that off.
    Seaquest was shown on weekend daytime TV over here and it's fun enough as a diversion, but I like my GRIT too much to watch all but the odd episode (something about the flipper-in-the-future dolphin was a bit too disney for me)
    I'll definitely give at least a few episodes of Space Above and Beyond a go - @Alan makes a compelling case for its inclusion.
    I know nothing at all about Alphas, so will look into that before deciding. I saw the pilot of Warehouse 13 and it felt a little derivative. Not that I have a huge problem with that mind...
    I am intrigued by Total Recall 2070 - I love a police procedural set in space as much as the next man. (if that next man is a fan of police procedurals set in space). I avoided Dollhouse for much the same fan-servicey reason mentioned. Interested that it doesn't stay like that the whole series.
    Eureka and Caprica - I had totally forgotten they existed. I'm certainly going to give them a look.

    Keep 'em coming gang..
    • CommentAuthorDC
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2011
    Black Lagoon isn't SF, it's about modern pirates unless I'm mistaking it for another anime with the same name.

    Neon Genesis Evangelion - your classic mecha anime but better. In a post-apocalyptic setting, civilization is starting to thrive. Tokyo-3 needs to defend itself from monsters called Angels and deploys mechas piloted by adolescents. It gets darker as it goes along and focus on the characters and mysteries surrounding them, the Eva and the Angels.
  2.  (10224.12)
    I seem to recall that Sliders has been mentioned recently on one thread or another - a bunch of characters randomly traveling through a series of alternative Earths trying to find their way back to their world of origin. The first few seasons are excellent (the season one finale is one of the best thought out utopia/distopias I've ever seen in a TV Sci-Fi series) but you should probably think about bailing once John Rhys-Davies quits (after that the series started flailing around, randomly shedding cast members as it looked for a place to die).
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2011
    #suggestSFTelly for Sneak

    @PurpleWrym -Sliders was on BBC2 and I caught that first time round. Mainly for John Rhys-Davies'. I agree it floundered after he quit.

    @DC - a friend has the neon-genesis series on DVD, I have seen a few episodes but not enough to know what the hell was going on. I certainlly need to get round to watching the full series. I believe the Black Lagoon you mention is the same as the black lagoon I mentioned - tho it may not be strictly SF as you say I think I'll probably end up watching anyway as more than one person has told me it's worth a view.
      CommentAuthorCameron C.
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2011
    Even watching the full series of evangelion wont let you know what the heck is going on.
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2011
    As I suspected... ;-)
    • CommentAuthorDC
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2011
    #suggestSFTelly for Sneak
    I don't recommend the second season of Black Lagoon except for the first 2 episodes. While the first one was excellent, the second one bored me and I had to make an effort to finish it.
    Evangelion, skip the last 2 episodes and go straight to the movie End of Evangelion. Or you could watch the remake movies that tell the same story in 4 movies.
      CommentAuthorcity creed
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2011
    #suggestSFTelly for Sneak
    I never did get round to watching the whole run, but I quite liked early first season of Jeremiah - now this thread has shaken the memory loose I might go back and pick it up again from where I left off. I don't know if it ever actually aired in the UK as I watched it on an old-fashioned telly box in Oz.
    Charlie Jade sounds like fun.
      CommentAuthorCat Vincent
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2011 edited
    Srsly Sneak - Dollhouse becomes something truly special in season 2. Flawed masterpiece by the end - but still a masterpiece. And Caprica has some excellence to it, but was weakened by, oddly, the need to force BSG continuity on it (and Sigh-Fie Channel fucking them over).

    Citycreed - Jeremiah Season 1 aired at fuck o'clock irregularly on Sky 1 back in the day. Pretty sure S2 never made it here, but that can be... fixed. Watched a couple of S2 and I see just why JMS said it was his worst TV experience - the only show he quit.
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2011
    Haven't seen the movie. But getting something like the effect in the linked poster could involve several shades of each colour, and a rich visual complexity; lots of texture, ornaments, and thingamajigs. Also, photo trickery, the equivalent photoshop fakery, and actual weird lighting conditions to get the kind of otherworldy glowy effect. Also, if that's some sort of stone or plastic coating, there's translusence to take into account,

    The main thing seems to be some sort of Turqoise, which I firmly believe would look absolutely horrid on a plain, flat surface. It doesn't get any better if you reduce the colour quality (muddy it up somehow), and you don't want to do that for the effect in the poster.

    There's a million shades of ochre - about as many as there are pits to dig the stuff out of. Oldest pigment known to have been used by man, possibly apart from the ever-popular "soot-covered guts, blood and shit" coating.

    So, start with those two general colour groups in different materials - stone, wood, pigments, plants - as samplers, and shuffle them around to see what they look like in different kinds of light, maybe?
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2011 edited
    #TV for Sneak

    Futurama. Black humour, Populuxe visual theme, voices by a cast of top professionals; it's my favourite animated show after The Venture Bros (which you should also be watching because it's a work of genius).