The people who participate think they are doing something, but really they are just doing the lazy thing. It's easy to run out into the street for a few days. It's hard to get a law degree, or launch a political career, or found and run a business, and use your position afterward as a broker of strength in your community for the betterment of people's lives.

Obama set to outpace Bush on deportations
President Barack Obama says he backs immigration reform, announcing last month an initiative to ease deportation policies, but he has sent home more than 1 million illegal immigrants in 2 1/2 years — on pace to deport more in one term than George W. Bush did in two.

The Obama administration had deported about 1.06 million as of Sept. 12, against 1.57 million in Bush's two full presidential terms.

This seeming contradiction between rhetoric and reality is a key element of debate over U.S. immigration policy, and stakes are high for 2012's presidential election as Obama faces criticism from both conservatives and liberals.

In 2008, 67 percent of Hispanics voted for Obama over Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin.

But Obama fell short on his promise to have a comprehensive reform bill in Congress in his first year. And despite his push of the DREAM Act in 2010, that bill failed in the Senate at the end of the Democrat-run 111th Congress. (source: msnbc)

[or] anywhere else in the world

When you argue about not putting energy into the system to try to accumulate influence, I wonder what you are proposing as an alternative.

wealth gives one an disproportionate influence in the politics and society, and the means to influence it to for your own benefit. This has been taken to quite an extreme in the developed west

Like going to a bar in the hopes of magically scoring.

Wealth is influence. It just is. You can't stop it from being that. It is that by definition. People who have the ability to influence will do it, people in positions to be influenced will be, that is not a changeable fact. It is a feature of human communal existence, not a bug. It cannot be fixed without scrapping humanity altogether.

If I can't dance, it's not my revolution!
If I can't dance, I don't want your revolution!
If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution.
A revolution without dancing is not a revolution worth having.
If there won't be dancing at the revolution, I'm not coming.

And like I said, in the case of DREAM act eligible youth, they never consciously made the decision or consciously made the action to immigrate illegally, or overstay their visa, or whatever. Sometimes it's imposed upon them by their parents. Does that really make them a criminal? Illegal/undocumented immigrant, yes, but criminal? No.

I'm surprised the Occupy Wall Streeters, though, aren't citing the UK struggles earlier this year against university fee hikes and the whole Tory dismantle the social contract agenda.

Your suggestion reads like you think that you can ignore or opt out of these enforcement mechanisms, but that doesn't seem realistic to me.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

BLOOMBERG: The protesters are protesting against people who make $40-50,000 a year and are struggling to make ends meet. That’s the bottom line.

A series of memos marked “restricted” show that the police have struggled to resist this pressure, and have become worried that their impartiality would be damaged. Trump had “unrealistic expectations” that Grampian police would behave like the New York Police Department (NYPD), police officers said.

On his radio show today, Glenn Beck claimed the Occupy Wall Street protesters are going to commit a terrorist act, collapse the nation, and kill millions of Americans.

The way corporations influence government comes through using democracy, not subverting it.

The Central Committee has many subcommittees, like the “Media Team” responsible for recording the proceedings or the “Arts and Culture Committee”, responsible for making signs and running the drum circle, and the "Sanitation Committee" team keeping the park clean. They have organized the park into specific areas, dedicated to different tasks.

The question is, as time goes on, will the movement be lead by the hard-core who slept night after night on the cold hard ground and who have worked to create their own organization, or will it cede control to established political operatives?

Occupations are just as important as marches and strikes in the context of resistance movements. They allow us to redraw the physical contours of our political reality. They provide people with centres to share skills and build links in spaces that are truly common, spaces that we do not have to enter under sufferance. They respond to a government seeking to turn every public asset into a private revenue stream, by turning private assets into public resources.

Video of police arresting non-resisting armed services veterans while allowing an American flag to lay on the ground and be walked is going to play on a lot of newscasts tomorrow, I suspect.

starting a protest without direction or a defined purpose is ultimately pointless.

Truth be told, little is actually happening.

Truth be told, little is actually happening.

Do you want me to tell you what to demand in your country & how to do it?

my hope is that they will in fact come to a conclusion, and as a result of this deep discussion it will be a solid, important one.

what happened in Spain was a tragedy. It looked for quite a while like they couldn't fail until the media started to listen to the politicians over the people and that is what ultimately destroyed what could have been a brilliant change for the better for all.

is that changes could have been implemented a lot faster if people had actually turned up with a plan.

if you turn up shouting, "Change now! Somehow!" they will very publicly rip you to shreds whilst secretly hoping that you get your act together and come up with a solution to all the issues they have no idea how to fix

1. he "gets it"


2. he's starting to look deeper into the way people's ways of thinking have changed (and what wider socio-cultural factors caused this)

This is the first global protest in history.

...we had an election last year in which people who disagree with them, and disagree with me and with you, got elected.

According to the results of an exclusive InvestmentNews online survey of 350 advisers, 58.2% said they disagree with the views expressed by the Occupy Wall Street protesters. Meanwhile, 38.8% of advisers said they agree with the views of the protesters and 3% said they were unfamiliar with Occupy Wall Street.

The survey, conducted last week, also found that 46.3% of advisers support tax reform that ultimately would lead to higher taxes on the wealthy, while 43.6% are against it. Additionally, the survey revealed that 41.6% of advisers are in favor of tougher government regulation of banks and Wall Street firms and 45.9% are against it.

Among respondents, 39% characterized themselves as Republicans, 37% as independents and 9.8% as Democrats.

It would be very tough for a financial adviser or wealth manager to align with the OWS protesters on an issue like taxation. We see firsthand the sheer dollar amounts of taxes taken from our clients. Head over for the rest of what my colleagues in the business had to say

Mahdi Firouzkouhi, also a participant at the demonstration, said the history of the U.S. is associated with the murder of thousands of people across the world, an indirect reference to the U.S. wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Firouzkouhi added, “Today we are witnessing the collapse of dictators allied to the United States… and this country has not option other than acknowledging defeat in the face of people’s vigilance.”

Free enterprise has also brought a lot of misery and inequality to people. Has it done more good than harm? That's impossible to answer. What we can answer is that the post WWII economic bump is over, and our globalist Capitalism is finally showing its age.

A U.S. Border Patrol agent has been sentenced to two years in prison for improperly lifting the arms of a 15-year-old drug smuggling suspect while handcuffed — in what the Justice Department called a deprivation of the teenager’s constitutional right to be free from the use of unreasonable force.

The defense claimed that the smuggling suspect was handcuffed because he was uncooperative and resisted arrest, and that the agent had lifted his arms to force him to the ground — a near-universal police technique — while the other agents looked for the drugs.

For the past several years, while the mainstream media was dutifully reporting on all things Kardashian or (more recently) a wholly manufactured debt-ceiling crisis, ordinary people were losing their health care, their homes, their jobs, and their savings. Those people have taken that narrative to Facebook and Twitter—just as citizens took to those alternative forms of media throughout the Middle East as part of the Arab Spring. And just to be clear: They aren’t holding up signs that say “I want Bill O’Reilly’s stuff.” They aren’t holding up signs that say “I am animated by toxic levels of envy and entitlement.” They are holding up signs that are perfectly and intrinsically clear: They want accountability for the banks that took their money, they want to end corporate control of government. They want their jobs back. They would like to feed their children. They want—wait, no, we want—to be heard by a media that has devoted four mind-numbing years to channeling and interpreting every word uttered by a member of the Palin family while ignoring the voices of everyone else.

Altogether, according to “Corporate Taxpayers & Corporate Tax Dodgers 2008-10,” a blockbuster new report put together by the Citizens for Tax Justice and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy that will have you reaching for your hypertension medicine before you finish reading the third page, 37 of the United States’ biggest corporations paid zero taxes in 2010. The list is a blue-chip roll-call.

Well, If you are so sure, then become unlimited liability.

Do you know any military/veterans/police in Europe that would be willing to write an article on their view of the Occupy Movement? About 5 days ago one of my friends from the Navy contacted me because he started a blog with articles written by military pertaining to the movement. I bought a domain name yesterday, set the site up, and within 12 hours we had more than 2,500 hits and 2,100 unique visitors

1. Take you money out of the banks and put it into locally based credit unions, or under your bed.
2. Divest yourself of debt.

These are not direct solutions but while the banks still have your money they will not give one shit about what you do on the street.


3. Share what knowledge you have about the problems we are facing, the ones you allude to above, the more people that know the better.
4. from these faults, derive solutions and try and get people to help you work them into existence, or actually find someone with a solutions that you would like to forward and work towards that.

Different parts of the world will have to be dealt with using local solutions, there is no one size fits all, and the solutions will have to be generated where they are applied.


5. Forget political parties, they need to die.
6. Demand of politicians that they break up large banks, strip them of their limited liability and distribute personal savings to locally owned and managed houses.
7. Reform the monetary system so the generation of money is government run, not debt based and accountable to the population.

• I save all my money in workable assets, Credit unions, and cash, limiting my exposure to, and endorsement of, the global financial system.
• I am involved in the transition movement where I live developing networks and knowledge to cope with peak energy and financial collapse.
• I am also involved in building communication networks outside and opposing hierarchical control.

"The powerful worry far less about us seeing how bad things are than us speaking up about how good things could get. Cynicism is obedience."

Tonight at around 7pm Bristol's second Occupation camp was trashed and I was threatened to have my face bit off, by a male whom I presume was a member of Bristol's EDL firm. I was handed a note by a middle aged woman reading “people of Bristol eviction notice get off our green”. It was obvious from early on who they were so I attempted to engage with them. Nevertheless, I was told they have launched a campaign against Occupy Bristol, this wasn't news to me as its been acknowledged by us for several weeks. Several Occupations around the country have had repeated problems with EDL members. However, ironically the harder the EDL try to defeat the Occupy Movement, the stronger we grow in numbers, power and support.

If trashing a few tents and issuing threats of violence is supposed to scare us into going back home, they sadly don't know the resolve, determination and outrage we share as an international movement. I've been screwed by this system of injustice and corruption since I was a kid and so long as this body of mine draws breath, I can guarantee I’ll fight with every ounce of determination and faith I can muster to bring it to an end. We don't have enough people at the moment to defend the second camp so its been temporarily disbanded. However, the actions of those who visited me tonight have made me determined without question to do what ever it takes, to inspire, promote, strengthen and spread Occupy Bristol to every corner of this city and beyond. I may be a pacifist but I promise you this, I will have justice for both myself and my family regardless of your ineffectual threats and attempts at intimidation.

Long live the Occupation.

She also said she did not plan to pick up medical records at Harborview Medical Center that could document the miscarriage until after a planned memorial service Saturday, and she declined to sign a waiver allowing reporters to obtain the documents independently. She said the baby was a girl, to be named Miracle.

"I have some stuff to do today," said Fox, who described herself as a homeless former foster child. "I have to get some stuff done."

Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.

The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.

To Europeans, the enormity of this breach may not be obvious at first. Our system of government prohibits the creation of a federalised police force, and forbids federal or militarised involvement in municipal peacekeeping.

One of her key pieces of evidence is an unsupported and unverified report that 18 mayors coordinated their crackdowns with the Department of Homeland Security. There’s only one problem with that: It’s nothing more than innuendo. Here, let me show you.

Here are the two links she provides as evidence: One to Wonkette; the other to Washingtonsblog.com. Both articles point back to this absurd article on the Examiner.com site (a very, very right-wing Phil Anschutz, write-out-of-your-butt-with-no-evidence kind of site). Washingtonsblog goes one step further, updating with this:

(And for those who are understandably doubtful about Examiner.com as a news source, here’s an AP story from a couple hours ago that verifies everything except the specific mention of DHS coordination.)

Got that? The headlines on both of these stories (Wonkette and WashingtonsBlog) were splayed across the sites in very large heading fonts: “Homeland Security Coordinated….” and yet the AP confirms everything BUT DHS coordination. Still, that didn’t stop Wolf from ignoring the AP story entirely and writing a piece for the Guardian that included links to bolster her argument that clearly don’t.

...the OWS movement supplied some comic relief, but they were never destined to survive the onset of inclement weather. Good riddance.

A few hours after television producers set up a replica of Occupy Wall Street for the filming of a new episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, the real Occupy Wall Street announced plans to occupy the fake one. (...) Located at nearby Foley Square, the fake camp includes a replica of the OWS kitchen and library as well as numerous tarps, tents, and signs. (...)
the police had begun to push protesters out of the park and dismantle the set. "NYPD does not respect Law and Order," the crowd chanted cheekily. At one point, an occupier asked an officer, "Are these real barricades, or a set piece?"
Within about an hour police had cleared out the protesters, which was less time than it took clear the real Zuccotti, but probably more than they'd need on a TV show. "You guys just cleared a fake Zuccotti Park," the tweeter @NewYorkist told a police officer, who countered that they'd done no such thing: "We didn't clear a fake Zuccotti," he insisted. "They're taking the set down."