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    I sense broken sarcasm detectors. I'm not 100% positive, but I think Andy was just impressed by how far into his cheek Stefan's tongue had to go to type that up.
      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2011

    *goes back, re-reads Stefan's post. Re-reads it again. Once more.*

    Ah. Ah-huh. That... makes a bit more sense. Look, I've been drinking tonight, okay?

    Sorry to jump on you there, Andy!
    • CommentAuthorZJVavrek
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2011
    I thought it was more about biting one's tongue. Maybe a combination of both?
    • CommentAuthorandycon
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2011 edited
    Yeah I thought Stefan was being sarcastic with "Unlike investment bankers, who after getting bailed swore off basing their businesses on over-leveraged complex financial instruments and promised not to take huge bonuses out of respect for all of the people hurt by their past misdeeds."

    Thanks James!
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2011 edited
    I was indeed being sarcastic. The alpha-male investment bankers are utterly shameless. We saved their heads from being stuck on pikes, and they continue business as usual.

    The people who bought too-large houses, or houses at all, most of them were at worst saps. But the idiot consensus blames them more than the confidence men who sold them the mortgages, took their commissions, and passed the risk up to the next group of confidence men.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2011
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2011 edited
    I read this, posted to me by a friend who's been involved in the occupy Oakland movement :
    thoughts on the Black Block
    and I was put in mind of old scottish punks Oi Polloi (who brought us anti fascist classics like "let the boots do the talking") who often would say, regarding direct action "we are peaceful people, not pacifists" and seeing footage like this gets me in the mood to put on the balaclava and start waving the black and red flag again.
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    I wondering how much longer this can go on before people start firing back. I'm not saying I condone that, but if you smack a dog with a rolled up newspaper every time you see him, eventually he'll bite you back.
      CommentAuthorJon Wake
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2011
    I'm wondering that too. This is how riots start.

    I'm designing a cheap plastic shield that can double as a backpack frame. It's not enough to stop a bullet, but it'll stop a rubber bullet or a truncheon. The shield is the best defensive tool ever developed. Forty guys with shields could hold a street against riot cops, provided the gas doesn't get them.
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    That's exactly what the police want or at least the people giving them orders and undoubtedly some of the police. If the protestors get violent, the media story is shifted away on what & why they are protesting and instead on how the protesters were violent. It also works to discredit them.

    In the past the police have even as gone as far to go undercover into the protests and start the violence themselves by throwing stuff at the police, etc.., giving them the excuse they needed to march in and shut down the protest and blame it on the protesters for being violent. I suspect the organizations involved in all this have cotton on to that and now that there are cameras everywhere, including on masked people within who might be agitators (and possible undercover police). They are trying to find alternative ways to shut this down and well, if the protesters don't get violent, then they have a hard time justifying shutting it down. It's interesting to see the ways they are doing it. Some are using the homeless, directing them to go into the protest area knowing some have mental problems and drug addictions and hoping for something to happen that will justify shutting it down (in Vancouver it did, one OD'd and they are using that as the reason to shut down the protest, calling it 'dangerous').
      CommentAuthorJon Wake
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2011
    The California police force has a long, storied history of pushing people to the edge until a riot starts. Oakland has shown considerable restraint, and I for one support the non-violence they've shown. For the record, though, I don't count vandalism as violence. That smacks of privileged nonsense. However, breaking windows isn't terribly effective, and is a waste of effort. Still, the police have the funds and ability to keep applying pressure, and eventually, more people are going to get hurt. Then no one will be held accountable, and the kettle will boil over.

    I think a direct confrontation with fascist elements can diffuse that situation, a sort of safety valve for feelings of powerlessness.
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    @Jon Wake If sending a non-violent veteran to the hospital with a skull fracture and slinging flash-bang grenades against unarmed protesters counts as restraint in the Oakland PD's eyes, do I really want to know what they'll do when they decide to get nasty?
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2011 edited
    ETA: Reading comprehension fail, thanks for the correction.
    • CommentAuthorandycon
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2011
    I think he means the Oakland protesters have shown restraint in light of all the shit that the cops are doing to them.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
    Students protesting in London today will complicate the whole thing, because the same protests last year attracting a significant group who were out to smash things. The police are lining up the baton rounds, and might well find a good excuse to shift the Occupy protestors along with any violent student protest that is going off.

    I hope it all goes off peacefully, but I suspect it's not going to.
    • CommentAuthorDC
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2011
    From the BBC:

    "Some protesters have left the march to set up tents in Trafalgar Square"

    Ooh, poor choice there fellas. Trafalgar is a drunk yobbo magnet on a Friday night. Rather them than me etc...
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    A friend of mine who is part of Occupy San Diego is looking for submissions for his new site :

    As he put it to me:
    Do you know any military/veterans/police in Europe that would be willing to write an article on their view of the Occupy Movement? About 5 days ago one of my friends from the Navy contacted me because he started a blog with articles written by military pertaining to the movement. I bought a domain name yesterday, set the site up, and within 12 hours we had more than 2,500 hits and 2,100 unique visitors
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeNov 10th 2011

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