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    • CommentAuthorBankara
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2011
    Agreed, once one has mastered or at least gained competency over the controls then your mind is freed to concentrate on other things. That is when it starts getting fun, until then it is a bit of a slog with tons of photos with good ideas in them but executed imperfectly. Cartire-Bresson said the first 10,000 frames are practice. I am closer to 30,000 frames shot in the last five years and I still feel like I have along way to go but I feel that I am getting closer, I can see a progression from my earlier work, and I generally manage to get the shots I want. I have heard it said that the difference between a pro and an amateur is that a pro gets 2 ouf 3 shots right and an amateur gets 1 out of 3. It takes a lot of dedication to make that jump and I am still halfway between. I just don't show anyone my contact sheets and I ruthlessly edit my images so that all that people see are the absolute best.
    • CommentAuthorroadscum
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2011
    I love this thread, it is wonderful, just wonderful.

    I recently spent some time in York, that was pretty damn good too. In a vain attempt to fit in, i bring you Bear Boobies

    Bare boobies!

    and beer

    It took every fibre of willpower i had

    I liked York a lot, were there to be a Whitechapel meet up there i would happily chip in towards air fares for Ms Hat and Mr Tyson and i'd personally offer good Mr Flecky a lift up in me van, wonderful place, York. Then again, i am pissed and sleep deprived, probably safest just to ignore me.
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2011

    I have about one million bike-wheel pictures in a folder.
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2011
    Also, regarding "working discpline" vs "zen discipline," I must admit I'm confused. Does anything become a zen discipline without being a working discipline first?
    • CommentAuthorMark R
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2011
    allana - nothing wrong with a million bike wheel pictures. But then, I like bikes a lot.
    • CommentAuthorBankara
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2011
    A million bike wheel pictures sounds pretty goddam zen to me. However, I, like @roadscum, have entered into zen state via inebriation so my comments may be accepted or discarded accordingly.
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2011
    I figured my pro-bike-wheel bias was a good reason not to flood the place with pictures. But, hey, if yer gonna play the "zen" card...

    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2011
    Still on the discipline story ? I just love Bankara's point of vue, which clearly demonstrates that both are needed. I totally agree about an amount of pictures needed to take a real place in photography.

    I would say, that at my low level, I've got something like a 1 of 10 pictures. I start to know if a shot seems to works only when I started meddling around it in editing. An important phase, where one decides to change the shot or to keep it pure. It often feels like taking the picture on one side of the mirror and editing it on the other.

    On the other side, I'm remembering a collaborator from an ex-job. That guy was the perfect example of a computer guy: very good programmer, but his webdesigns were nightmares. Not knowing how to involve him in communication related activities I once asked him to make pictures to cover an event and they were ... amazing ! Before that he wasn't really in photography. So in his case, there is obviously a talent that comes from spontaneity (or even something childish or naive). Sadly, as soon as he starts thinking about what is a good picture, then everything goes down...

    So, somewhere in my brain, I would add to the debate, that in order to evolve as a photographer, you've got to know as much as possible about the techniques and on the same time to forget everything in order to give the purest picture as possible. So somewhere everything is more or less zen and we didn't even need to talk about concepts like intention, emotion or the impact of a picture.

    Sorry, if it is not clear, crazy days are flushing my english to the loos and I'm starting to feel the need to find a wheel...
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2011 edited
    I've been wondering what the hell should I do with my photography hobby or skills. I've been starting to notice - especially after many people have told me about it - that I have an eye for what makes a good photo. How I do it is usually with pocket cameras, I just go around in cool places and... well, you'll just see if something makes a good photo or not, then you frame it and snap a few. So, apparently I might have some raw talent, but I have no idea what to do with it. I think the big thing for me is to just have a good quality pocket camera and get it done with, I used to carry a SLR and DSLR but it was too fiddly and cumbersome most of the time. I did read some photography guides and books in the 90's, and did some photomontages with scissors, sand paper and glue, and so on.

    Okay, so, if I have an alleged "eye for details" and "an eye for photography" and a Canon S95, which is the best camera I've ever had and which I usually use on automatic (although I know what aperture and exposure and all that means)... what should I do with it? I think the step "Profit" is extremely hard in photography nowadays...
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    Still mostly just taking photos of my football team.




    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2011 edited
    Enjoying this thread very much! Here's some shots from a recent trip to Vietnam.

    Lonely fisherman.">

    Beach fishing.">

    Last one of the bay. Honest.">

    Fancy lake, Northern quarter.

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    You have found the Coelacanth of grafitti.

    This made me laugh out loud. :D

    Hey HEY hey, I finally took some photographs and uploaded them! (I've got over a year of photographs I've not gone through. Ooog.) Here's some shots from a recent company profile thing:





    It was SO ORANGE in there.

    Oh, and also, I took the photograph for this site: acclivitynyc
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    Huh. My comment must have gotten eaten.

    @Jehrot: Lovely photos, especially the last three. The color landscape is spectacularly beautiful, the one after it is so moody and mysterious, and that dog ... reminds me of the time I visited some people with my family and they had a dog that would hump everyone and everything. Interestingly, it was also a small dog. Silly dog.

    @Rachael: My goodness you take great photos. I kind of want one of those dolls, and to sit on that chair, and to visit that very orange place to check out the horse headed statue. I hope you're getting paid well for your photography.
    • CommentAuthormanglr
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2011
    Hi All -

    Long time lurker - first time contributor to the photography thread. Thanks to all for contributing your wonderful images. I've recently started my own photography site (Four Crows Photography) with the vague aspiration of perhaps making a bit of money on my pics. But mostly, I'm doing it to stretch my creative muscles and to fulfill my own personal sense of meaning...

    Here's a couple of my own recent shots for the group:

    North Bridge 001

    Minuteman Statue 001
    • CommentAuthormanglr
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2011 edited
    @vornaskotti - I'm with you on the handheld camera thing. A lot of my best stuff was done on a dinky 4 megapixel handheld. I've since upgraded and like my larger camera, but I've never quite developed the gearhead mentality that you can see in some folks.
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    @manglr and vonraskotti - Yes, likewise. I love my DSLR for the shortened depth of field that AUTOMATICALLY brings the eye where I want it to go based on focus, and makes all photographs look instantly "artsy", I miss my pocket camera and the NYC shots I took with it. It is difficult to casually whip out my massive Pentax in a hospital waiting room, or on a crowded bus. People get nervous. It's also fucking heavy, as opposed to the brick sized camera I made sure I ALWAYS had on the ready at any moment.

    My favorite shots I actually put together and made myself a book through Blurb. Nothing but shots from my 5mp Sony.
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    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2011
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2011
    @trini Thanks! It means a lot to get some positive feedback. I recently bought myself a 60d and a 50mm 1.4, something I'd been meaning to do for a long time. These trips away were my first opportunities to really take it for a walk and play.

    Here's what the dog did next..


    And here's a couple from my trip back to the uk last month..

    Leaves leaves everywhere.">

    Nice wood.">

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    @joanneleah: Whoa, that's one intensive photo. Good kind of scary.

    @Jehrot: Love the composition on the second shot, a very dynamic landscape with a lot going on with the colors, sloping ground and the barely visible deep background.