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    • CommentAuthorSteadyUP
    • CommentTimeOct 6th 2011
     (10264.21)
    I was sitting in my living room surrounded by cable news, the internet, a cell phone and an iPod, and the iPod was the first one to tell me Steve Jobs was dead. I guess that's as good a legacy as any.
    • CommentAuthorMartinSheen
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2011 edited
     (10264.22)
    How can people be so sad this dude is dead?
    He more or less took someone down with him.

    When he was diagnosed with cancer that should have instantly made sure he was NOT a candidate for a replacement liver.

    Less than 2000 people get a liver and the waiting list is like 16 000 or 18 000 (I can't remember exactly)

    However he is Steve Job's so of course he got the liver...

    And now he is dead... hardly a surprise...

    And that little girl who wanted to play piano and fly kites is now dead because this evil selfish prick went and snatched her liver.... (well... you get my point)

    what a dick

    edited for grammar
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    Did you just call Steve Jobs a murderer?

    Edited: can't type early in the morning.
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    How does one manage to get through 8 lines of text and an edit without remembering that limited medical resource issues are morally super complicated?

    How did you write about the dead kite flying girl without asking yourself how she would be _less_ dead if a more high-benefit recipient who was still not her had gotten the liver? And then what if the higher-benefit recipient was a fire fighter and died at work two years later? What if the recipient was an old woman with not many years ahead but running a mid-size business that employs 400 people including her whole family who would otherwise all end up without a job? How many humans are disqualified from livers once you bring hypothetical children into the mix?

    And even if you think you can effectively make these kind of life-value judgments, what does the system look like that arbitrates every single limited-medical-resource dispute in a country without making any errors look like? What is the name for your system that refuses cancer patients livers without leaving your future hypothetical kite-flying daughter on the street? Insurance. We have that. It doesn't do good things.

    This is all stuff talking about this subject would usually have led a person to think about by now.
    • CommentAuthorSolario
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2011
     (10264.25)
    Can we really not do this here? I don't mind having a discussion on the subject, but please, let's not do theoretical discussions in a thread concerning someone's actual death.