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      CommentAuthorBeamish
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2011 edited
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    @ Daddy SI: You may have noticed that some of the newer entrants here feel outclassed. Perhaps you could give them some reassurance, or even put some of their entries up on Bleedingcool if you feel it is warranted.


    UNLEASHING MAGGOTS.

    Plenty of newer entrants have appeared in the Bleedingcool slot already. The judgement process is based entirely upon my unreasonable, unquantifiable and whimsical gut reaction to the pieces of art on any given week, not on who drew them. If that seems unfair, or if you find yourself throwing a tantrum because none of your own entries have been showcased yet, you can and should beware of the digital door striking your arse on the way out. Remake/Remodel isn't about getting your art shown-off on a comics gossip website; it's about challenging artists to use their brains and their skills to respond intelligently to interesting problems, and getting the feedback of their peers along the way. The Bleedingcool slot is merely the period at the end of the sentence.

    Any further attempt to influence the decision will be rewarded with pisshole-infesting larvae and a Severely Grumpy Si.
    • CommentAuthordnewling
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2011 edited
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    @Daddy SI: sorry, I thought had phrased it so it didn't sound like currying favours or anything like that. I wasn't out to do anything of the sort - of course I knew you wouldn't be pleased with that, and there'd be trouble with the maggot-thingies! It's just that some people here felt outclassed and I thought something from you might be helpful. Obviously I didn't phrase it as well as I thought. It has now been completely rephrased.

    By the way, I have two questions. First, what are half-arsed bollocks exactly? I'm not sure what that means.
    Second, you say anything piss-takery will be removed - but what would it take to be deemed piss-takery? Does that refer to the artwork, or what you say to other subscribers, or both?

    I don't think I'm likely to do anything like that (I'm a kind, sensitive person who doesn't troll anyone). But I do want to be clear these definitions.
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      CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2011
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    @dnewling: Overall, it goes back to one of Warren's old mainstays for here; "There is no crying in Whitechapel", which means just bring your best stuff, be honest and committed to it, and don't whine.

    All of us have felt "outclassed" by something here, and complaining about it gets boring, so better to put your energy into getting your game up to the level you wish it to be. It took me a few years to really hit a level I felt I could even feel good about here with the possibility of someone like Mike Weiringo showing up and owning the entire thread.

    The "No piss-takes" rule is also in the same vein; we're all here to see good stuff, so bringing something that is obviously half-assed or was slapped together with little thought is a piss-take, and it wastes both our (the viewers) and your time. Again, better your time is spent on a good piece of art or getting better for your next entry. I literally used this place as boot camp, knowing that I could do comics and art, but needing a drill instructor to say "Okay, now 20 more, soldier!"

    Looking back, some of my first REMAKE pieces were utter crap. But I kept coming back, kept getting schooled by some really good artists, and eventually I started making stuff that I knew was my best work (not the best in the thread, but best for me) and it was a great kick in the ass. I had been deafened by the echo chamber that places like DeviantArt can become (OH, YOU'RE AWESOME LOL) and now had to deal with the open, stony silence that can be a forum like this, where people of incredible taste actually have an informed opinion, and give praise when deserved. Sure, there is good natured barbing and hassle, but the end goal was the same: show me something that excites my eyes and brain. Warren demanded it, I know Si demands it, and it's something we should all demand of ourselves, be it here in the REMAKE thread, or a photo thread, a story thread, fiction thread, wherever. This place keeps me coming back because I feel I have to bring my good game, art and brain-wise, and keeps me sharp and frosty and constantly challenging myself.

    I don't know that I'll "hit" every time (and I'll save you the suspense; I will fuck up PLENTY), but I will keep getting better, because it feels really good to keep getting better, and I love seeing people here evolve into amazing artists, storytellers or whatever. This board loves new blood, so put on some big person pants and join in the drill. You obviously are interested, so give yourself some time to find your footing and really show what your best work is. You'll (and we'll) know when it happens.

    Hope this helps, just my two nickels of input. : )
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    This.
    • CommentAuthorflecky
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2011
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    Ah.The humanity.Excellent.

    Saying that i've seen some startling work here and i respect each and all for their efforts.Shit,even if i got my act together and produced a stick man drawing i doubt i would post it so be silent o flecky.
    • CommentAuthordnewling
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2011
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    @Paul Sizer: thank you for your kind words. A bit of a surprise to hear you say your first entries weren't all that great. Just look at you now!

    @ Daddy SI: What are 'half-arsed' bollocks exactly? And what would it take to be deemed 'piss-takery'? I did ask you these questions earlier, but you haven't responded yet.
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    @dnewling

    Please understand the concept of common sense, or, just read the things the eloquent Paul Sizer wrote up above.

    Don't expect Si, or anyone to hold your hand. Also, have a sense of humor. Also, know when to let things go.
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    @Dnewling, Paul explained what those terms mean.

    Let the record show I'm grouchy and tired and irrational, and I'm itching to take it out on someone. You will please stop taking everything quite so seriously, and chill the fuck out, and generally just ssshhhh for a bit, or I will enforce a one-week ban. And would probably be doing you a favour.
    • CommentAuthorflecky
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2011
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    @ Dnewling:It's true mate.If you just calmly read what's being said you will see that the people here are on your side.They wan't to see your work.

    And,i must add,do you expect sanity from someone called Horrible Warning Si ? I made that mistake with Warren Ellis and i'm still drooling in a cupboard.Fingering words on a laptop made out of the stink of human error.It's not pretty but it is what it is.

    Fookin' hideous!!
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    Two weeks late but let the record show I tried.

    And I just looked at the Bleedingcool selection and I'm awestruck. I mean I've seen all the pieces before but it's still very different to have them together on single gallery page like a visual jam session. Much more powerful.
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      CommentAuthorPupato
    • CommentTimeDec 19th 2011
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    Herr Husein YEAH! love it!!!

    ...because some deserve to be punished : )

    Fantomah

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