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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2008
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    Can't say I've seen enough to say that I like this yet, but I'm pretty interested to see where it goes, and I can certainly say I don't hate it. If a story with this kind of pacing were taking up 5 pages in my weekly copy of 2000ad I might be concerned, but as I'm getting it for free I'm not complaining.
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    If a story with this kind of pacing were taking up 5 pages in my weekly copy of 2000ad I might be concerned

    And you'd have a right to be. But free = I'll pace it any way I like...!

    Consider it this way. I figure we'd generate two or three FREAKANGELS collections a year. So that's no less than 100 pages in any one chunk. Think of the pacing in 100-page increments, and it starts to make more sense.
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    I figure we'd generate two or three FREAKANGELS collections a year.


    Hmm, you two are in this for the very long haul then. Nice.
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    Many thanks andrenavarro, for the corrections. This kind of job, without many sleep hours, is very hard...
    • CommentAuthorsoap
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2008
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    Intriguing !
    • CommentAuthorcjtremlett
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2008
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    Lovely and intriguing. The art rocks. Looking forward to finding out more about this world and these characters.

    Between this and Doktor Sleepless, it looks like Warren is experimenting with pacing. It'll be interesting to look back at these in a year or two, and see how the pacing plays out in the long run. I've a germ of an idea for a substantial comment on this, but I'll wait for a while more and see how things go.
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    While I agree it's off to a slow start, I still think it hits some essential beats. It introduces (one of?) the main character(s?), tells us a little about her, establishes the overall setting, and sets up a conflict to be resolved (or at least pursued) in the next installment. That it's not a "SLAM BANG" opening may keep people from singing its praises right away, but it's far from a misstep.

    Looks good, Warren! It's bookmarked.
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      CommentAuthorJon Wake
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2008
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    I've been thinking of doing a five-page a week story for years now, but lacking the sheer star-power or, really, anything power that Warren has, I've been terrified at the prospect of drawing five pages a week for lots of nothing all on my lonesome.

    Seeing Paul Duffield's artwork is inspiring though. He makes due with an amazing economy of line, counting on the cel-shading to add form and letting the linework be almost purely descriptive. He must be able to pump these pages out very quickly. It's such a good idea I may have to steal it.

    Storywise it's pretty obvious that this is going to be a very long, story, but from a purely technical standpoint, Warren laid a lot of ground in a few strokes. He's made a comic book version of flash-fiction.
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    Many thanks andrenavarro, for the corrections. This kind of job, without many sleep hours, is very hard...


    No problem. Portuguese is an extremely difficult language, way too rich and full of subtleties while English is more practical, more objective. Hard to adapt.
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    I'm interested by all the comments about the pacing. Since I'm used to manga, this actually feels relatively fast paced to me... a panorama, a brief back-story, a specific location, a protagonist, a bit of her character, what she was doing last night, a secondary character, a little on their relationship, a developing crisis and a mode of transport all in 6 pages. That's a heck of a lot. Kudos to Warren if he's made it all seem natural and well paced. That sort of hectic slave-to-the-medium fast-paced feel you get with some western comics (and a few manga) is something I love to see disregarded personally :)
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    I'm interested by all the comments about the pacing. Since I'm used to manga, this actually feels relatively fast paced to me... a panorama, a brief back-story, a specific location, a protagonist, a bit of her character, what she was doing last night, a secondary character, a little on their relationship, a developing crisis and a mode of transport all in 6 pages. That's a heck of a lot


    See, what I've had to unlearn, in my career, is the British comics form. In six pages, in Brit-com, I would have had all that, a body count of about eight, another four characters introduced and at least one more plot activated. It's what Pat Mills called "breathless" comics. Part of the whole process of FREAKANGELS, for me, aside from driving you batty of course, is developing a kind of fusion comics that works for me.
    • CommentAuthorKarlos
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2008
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    Looks like Messrs. Ellis & Duffield have a kindred spirit in the antipodes Mr FREAK!

    I always thought Mr FREAK! was from the future...
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    <em>I'm interested by all the comments about the pacing. Since I'm used to manga, this actually feels relatively fast paced to me... a panorama, a brief back-story, a specific location, a protagonist, a bit of her character, what she was doing last night, a secondary character, a little on their relationship, a developing crisis and a mode of transport all in 6 pages. That's a heck of a lot</em>

    <strong>See, what I've had to unlearn, in my career, is the British comics form. In six pages, in Brit-com, I would have had all that, a body count of about eight, another four characters introduced and at least one more plot activated. It's what Pat Mills called "breathless" comics. Part of the whole process of FREAKANGELS, for me, aside from driving you batty of course, is developing a kind of fusion comics that works for me.</strong>

    Heh. This is why you are a one-man argument for "wait for the trade". I mean, I love the way that you give the artist space to be himself, and develop the world, and the look and feel. And if this were the trade, I'd race through it for the story, then go back to look at the art properly. And Freakangels is a lovely thing but, you know, I want the last installment of it by yesterday.

    So it's a frustrating reading experience as a package, the way the beats hit, and I'm not sure if this style/project is the poster boy for web-to-trade, when something like that is how I see the business eventually going for indy artists; like a subscription model where the artist(s) gets paid by the patron-fan to produce the stuff weekly/daily, and the patron-fan gets a book on the back end to put on their shelves (first edition, signed and with a tip-in extra). Which is what I was talking about with Hibbs yesterday.

    This is going to work because of the Warren Ellis brand, and I think the idea can work generally, and I'll be interested to see how it pans out. Because who knows, maybe it'll do something to change the way we expect to read. Since, what with it being free and all, I'll probably come back weekly, where I've learned to patiently ignore the floppies so the trade still packs a surprise when I read the whole damn thing in one gulp.
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      CommentAuthorwilliac
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2008
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    I'm sold. It's beautiful and it's a good length for a weekly webcomic. I'd much rather have 6 pages once a week than 1 page a day.
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    I'm not sure if this style/project is the poster boy for web-to-trade, when something like that is how I see the business eventually going for indy artists; like a subscription model where the artist(s) gets paid by the patron-fan to produce the stuff weekly/daily, and the patron-fan gets a book on the back end to put on their shelves (first edition, signed and with a tip-in extra). Which is what I was talking about with Hibbs yesterday.

    MEGATOKYO broke this ground some while ago, of course -- trading a subscription model for merch sales and then print collections. The subscription model seems to be dying out, in general.

    I have, however, already signed the tip-in plates for the first collection. Heh.
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    in Brit-com, I would have had all that, a body count of about eight, another four characters introduced and at least one more plot activated. It's what Pat Mills called "breathless" comics.

    Blimey, that's insane! I guess that's a side of comics I don't encounter very often. Knowing the amount of skill that it takes to deliver any plot in a way that seems uncontrived, I can imagine that moving from something so hectic to Freakangels or other slower projects is a real breather and a very different challenge all at the same time.

    So it's a frustrating reading experience as a package, the way the beats hit, and I'm not sure if this style/project is the poster boy for web-to-trade

    From my point of view (although that could be biased), the pacing's perfect for a webcomic... less panels and a slower pace should mean a slower and richer read, not a quicker or less substantial one. Larger panels let your eye linger on detail and take in a moment, rather than be bumped straight onto the next panel or bubble by a crowded page and a furious plot. After all, what's a plot worth if you don't care about where it's happening and who it's happening to? And what's a webcomic worth if you aren't excited about the next episode because last weeks plot was like a 9 course dinner that left you feeling a bit too ill to read any more.
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    I'm liking it so far... Paul's art is simply stunning. The pacing is slow but its just enough to get you hooked into the second installment to see what'll happen.

    To Paul: how much research did you/are you doing into drawing London? Just the couple of outside/architecture shots look really convincing... Just wondering if you're gonna go really hardcore on the reference material so people will actually recognize places (as opposed to the occasional generic victorian architecture with tube sign you see anywhere else)?
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      CommentAuthorcarney
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2008
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    Nice and free. Looks to be interesting. The shorter format will be nice. Its worked for allot of stuff like . So if this does well, will there be an actual book?
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    MEGATOKYO broke this ground some while ago, of course -- trading a subscription model for merch sales and then print collections. The subscription model seems to be dying out, in general.

    I have, however, already signed the tip-in plates for the first collection. Heh.


    All art aspires to the condition of porn.

    Get your comics for free. Now buy Warren's soiled panties.
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    Are you going to release the scripts like you did for FELL and DESOLATION JONES? I always find it interesting.