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    #niceornasty

    Thanks for all the input, folks. It's all food for thought.
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012
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    #brewingwithfruit ahh okay, that's good to know, I wasn't sure there if they were just steeped and then tossed or steeped and then also fermented. Thanks!
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      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012 edited
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    #Brewingwithfruit

    Okay, so. First off, this sounds like a fantastic idea! I love fruity wheats, and I've had some absolutely lovely cherry beers, most of them wheats or weizens. And using fruit in brewing is really quite easy, at least in my experience.

    What oldhat and I did was add all of our fruit, frozen, about half an hour into the boil. I chose to use frozen berries because the heat would crack the skins and let the juice out, but it would do so over time. Steeping the fruit itself, I think, contributed a lot of the tart flavor I wanted in my brew (it was a fruity oatmeal stout... or a fruit stout brewed with oats... still not sure what to classify it as!), so if you want the pucker-factor, I'd say this is a good method. Frozen fruit is also easier to buy in bulk, though that may depends somewhat on what kind of fruit we're talking about.

    I left the fruit in for the entire process: boiling, primary, and secondary fermentation, and I even left the fruit in while I was siphoning the beer during bottling. They didn't leave until I scooped them out of the otherwise empty fermentor (which, admittedly, looked pretty gross, but it smelled sorta nice... like oatmeal or porridge with raisins). As long as your fermentor's interior has been well-cleaned, and your bung and airlock are tight, you shouldn't have to worry about the fruit attracting yuckies any more than you normally would with beer, and by the time the alcohol really kicks in, that should do a good job of preserving the fruit. I will admit, I was very concerned about contamination, but we had less to worry about with the fruit stout than I did with a coffee stout I helped make around the same time. I'd say, with the disclaimer that I'm still very much a novice, that fruit should be pretty safe.

    I would suggest that, in addition to the cherries, think of some other flavoring that may balance the sweetness and tartness in the beer. Yes, this is what hops are typically for, but I'd still say that fruit needs a partner in beer, just to mellow it out and keep it from becoming a weird mixture of bitter and sour. Most of the bottles of oldhat's and my beer came out fine, but there were a few where I thought very strongly "this needs some vanilla to cool it off." I'd more more than happy to brainstorm ideas with you, and I'm sure oldhat would, too!

    Actually, I'm getting ready to put together another fruity beer soon, and a wheat beer to boot! Mine's going to include key limes, coconut flesh and milk, and ginger, and I'm going to bottle it with turbinado sugar for that hint of molasses.
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012
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    #brewing

    omg, that beer you described sounds both very interesting and delicious. We should do a Whitechapel collaboration brew :P Adding a bit of a vanilla isn't a bad idea, I'm definitely looking just to get a smooth, cherry flavored wheat for this one, not looking for a lot of tart notes to it. I'll think about what I can do to balance that out. Though do you think I'd be fine as long as I used well ripened cherries (though not over-ripe) as opposed to young tart cherries? Thanks!
    • CommentAuthorEmperor
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012
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    #niceornasty

    I was thinking about this a bit more and as well as some DIY, you'd want some basic first aid and perhaps kit for your cars - I've just been upgrading what I carry in the car there are quite a few things that are essential and some useful bits of kit (a high visibility jacket and a warning triangle are compulsory in parts of Europe and a good idea everywhere. Antiseptic wipes and pasters are also very handy). Plus having something like a bag of mixed veg or peas in the freezer has come in very useful for the lumps and bumps of drunken idiocy (just make sure you wrap it in a tea towel first).

    I suppose some basic tips on computer security, with free useful apps might come in handy if they've not had to look after the family's computers at home already ;)

    Right I'll leave this alone now...

    @government spy

    This is sounding a lot like a book I received as a gift once, called "Etiquette for Outlaws,"


    Now that sounds a useful research tool - I was really just thinking about something lower level than that, introductory level debauchery (largely drawing on what I've observed from folks leaving home for the first time - being able to cook, skin up and change a fuse goes an awful long way), rather than proper depravity you'd get up to a few years down the line.
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012
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    #brewing would like to point out that if it's a wheat beer, the flavours brought forth by the yeasts will do a hell of a job of working with the cherries. My two cents, anyways.
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      CommentAuthorglukkake
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
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    @vorn - I haven't made any announcements/don't want it linked to until it's ready to go 'live' so message me via email/twitters/wherever we are friends and I can send you the rul
  2.  (10536.108)
    #niceornasty

    I was first aid officer at a metalworking factory for twelve years (a few severed fingers, some nasty lacerations, superglue in the eye and the odd diabetic coma), so definitely some first aid stuff.
    • CommentAuthorEmperor
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
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    #niceornasty

    There are some first aid myths and stuff they do in movies that you shouldn't do, so something basic would be handy - I think I've got a possibly government leaflet giving the very basic first aid advice tucked away with the first aid kit in the card, just enough so that you could make the difference to someone while you are waiting for the emergency services, not enough to make you dangerous (like the guy I was doing fieldwork with who was convinced he knew how to put an arm back in its socket, when his technique would have been better used for torture - it was the closest I've been to seeing someone's eyes pop out of their head).
    • CommentAuthorbadbear
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
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    If you're going to do something on first aid, don't forget about burns. As an ex-metalworker I can testify to the amount that people know about how to deal with burns and what to put on them - beyond shoving the offending area under a cold tap - turns out to be bugger all.
    • CommentAuthorbadbear
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
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    #niceornasty
    As it's mostly a cookbook, can I just suggest that you do a list of store cupboard items and mention possible subsitutions within recipes? This is something that has taken me a while to learn but I think it really loosens you up in the kitchen and allows you to be creative and confident with a recipe rather than sticking to it rigidly when perhaps you'd prefer it without coriander or don't have the right kind of flour.
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    #niceornasty

    Kitchen storage, definitely.
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
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    #brewing

    You know...I'd LOVE to do a collaboration, but also maybe something more brewers here in Whitechapel can do is a collaboration BATTLE. Basically heard about this because Flying Dog and BrewDog are doing one. What you do is agree on a style as well as the mandatory addition/subtraction of an ingredient. The two breweries right now are doing an IPA WITH NO HOPS, so finding a substitution is making it interesting.

    I don't know, I think, time and money considered, that would be a real fun thing to do.
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    #niceornasty
    How to do a budget, the basics of money management, etc. That would go well with the "what expenses to expect" section. Along with the dealing with the government, various options for affordable health care is good too. And while it is directed towards guys and they should know about this stuff by this point, various std info and birth control methods wouldn't hurt. (There are too many single mothers where I live. And a lot of the guys here are ...special.) Basic decorating/ furniture arrangement so what when they bring a girl home, it actually looks decent? Maybe a guideline for living with female roommates etc? Things that might seem obvious to women but are inconceivable to men?
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    #niceornasty

    I'm reminded of PJ O'Rourke's The Batchelor Home Companion, not sure if you've read it... my copy got lent to Kemper Norton in the days when he lived in a hovel that had a Good Sink and a Bad Sink, and that one needed the constitution of Satan to even sniff the Bad Sink let alone touch it... I never saw the book again... but the section on Appliance Repair still makes me laugh to think of...

    But yeah. I never needed anything like this, I was too damn practical anyway, but some guys I knew couldn't even cook a microwave meal, or clean a bathroom. Think Trini's budget suggestion is a good one.
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    #niceornasty

    With all these suggestions I have a vision of the finished work not being a coffee-table book, but a book thick enough to be used as a coffee table ;)
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    Heh. Try not to lose focus. Your target audience doesn't want much to read.
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    Budget, yup, I'll be covering that under personal finance.
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
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    It's a little broader than budget but you should also discuss how to split bills.

    There are several systems that seem to work but not having any system is begging for trouble.
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    My roomies and I used to contribute to a house fund, and pay for all the rent and bills out of it.