I'm really interested to hear what this forum thinks of Prometheus. I was unimpressed, in all honesty. I didn't get hugely inflated expectations and then end up let down and betrayed by what Scott did to my beloved film, because I have just felt too busy to get interested in any massive build up over the last few months. I knew the film existed because of trailers and this forum, but I knew fairly little about it other than Fassbender. Which, really, is enough.

But I don't think I could justify an 82% for it. For me, I found it fairly predictable and generic, with stock characters behaving as you've seen many do before (including in other Alien films). Interesting enough visual effects, I suppose. But I found the religion v science angle unconvincing - I've never seen the Aliens as remotely connected with religion or the divine. If anything, quite the opposite. The panspermia/chariots of the gods concept was interesting, but seemed to be retreading ground from some of the AvP films. And that's not a good sign.

Fassbender was superb, as ever. Noomi Rapace likewise. Nobody else stood out. Some of the crewmembers were bad actors, full stop. Charlize Theron pretty much included - she phoned it in here. Looking good in a skintight jumpsuit (a uniform worn by no other crewmember!) isn't a replacement for acting.

I know some people here were very excited about this film, but, for me coming in with zero expectation, I felt it was not a great effort. It feels like a shame.

I fucking hate this bullshit zombie trend fuckwits feel the need to engage in. There was a "zombie" in this movie. Fuck this movie.

we, as humans, are the descendants of a sacrificed Titan/engineer whose dna was mixed with the chemical/biological weapon has been covered by, and explored more subtly, elsewhere - yes. However it's Scott's nihilism here that proved, for me, the interesting factor.

how much of a role does David have in his own life? Is he only following orders the whole time? I don't think so. He has an inherent will to survive as evinced by the end but also looks - to me - at the Titan/engineer as a grandfather and this asks the questions 'Does David want to find an understanding of his 'origins' as well? Does he seek acceptance that the humans don't show?' Throughout the film, there's an open question of whether he's Machiavellian or whether he's just seeking and when Guy Pearce's character is dying and says "It's nothing." David replies, "I know" yet David lives and wants to go on seeking.

There's a wonderful duality in this: nihilism living inside an enquiring mind.

Sooooo......What a shambles, yeah it looks pretty, Rapace is the best thing about it, Fassbender is pretty decent (as always) but the story is -excuse me- bollox...It doesn't make any sense, the writers/director just tried to cram in so much explanation and stuff into the last hour that it became a jumble of horror movie cliche and Alien homage. Yeah the SFX looked pretty cool in 3D and the scene with the cesarian was fun but other than that, whatever. And that final bit when Idris pilot decides to take out the Engineer ship and his co-pilots are all like "OK lets do this waheey!" WTAF was that about?

The last decent thing Ridders did was Black Hawk Down. Like so many of his generation of once great directors who still have huge amounts of cash thrown at them by the production companies, they need to hang up their cameras and just go and chill out on their private beach and smoke cigars or whatever it is they do...

Mary Todd Lincoln and Harriet Tubman using the Underground Railroad to help win the Battle of Gettysburg by shipping silver weapons to kill the vampires fighting in the Southern ranks.

The asteroid arrives a week early because they underestimated something-or-other. It arrives a week early! When the planet is in a completely different section of its orbit around the sun and therefore would be 100% safe from the asteroid's trajectory.

the cranes all align so Spidey can get to Osbourne Tower to defeat The Lizard after being shot in the leg

Soo, we have a group of guys who come in to take the power away from the Wall Street money elite and give it back to the people by OCCUPYING MANHATTAN, but oh no lo and behold, they are weird foreign suicide bomber terrorists in disguise! Subtle, man, subtle...

The soundtrack really didn't sound different at all from The Dark Knight. I know there needs to be themes running through the soundtracks for both, but I honestly didn't notice any difference, and I kinda missed it.

Bane died a bitch ending. For a guy who exuded menace and ferocity through the whole movie, I think he deserved at least a few seconds more.

I'm not sure Blake's name really needed to be Robin. In fact, I kept expecting the young orphan that Blake spoke with a few times to be his Robin when Blake took up the cape and cowl, and was a little sad when that wasn't how it worked out.

dropped the mousy maid act

how the Bat works

Blake's given name being Robin made me roll my eyes. I thought they set him up perfectly as a successor to Batman without needing that bit of fan-service.

I took that whole sequence to be a critique of an anarchic society, which Gotham had become with no central leadership and no law enforcement. Or, perhaps more accurately, a critique of an anarchic society that got that way by violently disposing of its government. I don't think it had anything to do with political protest, whether left wing or right, and everything to do with looking at what happens when you turn a society's power structures inside out. The fact that it came across as very Occupy Wall Street was because the Nolan Brothers had already established in the first two movies that Gotham's major role in the world was as a financial center. If Gotham had been a Hollywood analogue, you'd have seen people hanging movie execs on streetlamps, or looting the houses of rich actors and producers, rather than rich bankers and traders. The themes in the third act of TDKR are, I think, a lot broader and timeless than any comment on contemporary society.

She's looking for the same thing Bruce Wayne is - a way out - she's just able to admit to herself that that's what she wants. The irony is, Bruce has the ability to stop, but he can't admit to himself that that's what he wants. Only together do they both actually get what they want.

but going the other way for the poetic ending to the trilogy.

Okay, so 3000 - THREE THOUSAND policemen are trapped in the SEWERS of anarchist-terrorist-martial-law Central Gotham. Bane somehow sets up a system that keeps them fed for FIVE MONTHS. When they finally break out, they're still in fighting shape. They get their freshly pressed uniforms (without Bane's lackeys mopping them up as they presumably go home or to the police stations to do so), and then they do a head-on rush against a heavily fortified position full of people who presumably still have grenades to spare.

Talia Al Ghul has been getting the inside scoop on everything Bruce Wayne/Batman from her position in the Wayne corporation, brief stint in the Wayne manor and, presumably, from her dear old dad.

Batman was not Batman in that fight. Batman doesn't enter into a slugfest with an opponent he knows has had the same training as him, while surrounded by his goons. When Batman takes out the lights, Batman gets into a better position instead of fumbling around in the open.

Right up until he actually FACED Bane in that sequence, he was perfectly Batman. He used the environment, he ambushed goons, he had plans. It's like the moment he saw Bane his brain went out and he was all "Durrrr fistfight nao."

So, Nolan, you're telling me that the Gotham stock exchange... The stock exchange in a city that's been downright overrun with criminals, and which has suffered at least two city-wide panics thanks to special individuals within said criminals... You're telling me that somehow once you put a few guys with guns into that stock exchange area, they can irrevocably do anything they want there? There's no way for anyone to shut down the access of that building besides physically taking down the lines and mobile towers? No terrorist panic code placed elsewhere?

At the same time, I didn't quite buy the reasoning for Bruce Wayne being incriminated during all that, but now I can't remember exactly what the details for that were, besides someone using his fingerprints for evil or whatever.

It wasn't about "incriminating" Wayne - it was about bankrupting him. Bane used the fingerprints and codes to cause "Wayne" to sell most of his stock, which eliminated his majority share in the company. He then used the money from the stock sales to make a huge number of foolish stock and margin purchases, thus flushing Wayne's money down the toilet. Also by doing this it opened the way for Talia to "rescue" Wayne by heading up the board, which gave her the needed access to the fusion device.

Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle are functioning as a kind of Leverageesque couple, robbing from the immorally rich and giving to the deserving poor (which keeping a decent percentage for themselves, of course. Expenses and all.)

Not only do they not shut down access to the stock exchange when it's FORCIBLY TAKEN OVER BY CRIMINALS, but they also approve all the crazy transactions that went on while the stock exchange was under the control of gun-toting maniacs? Nobody even bats an eyelash at the fact that Bruce Wayne (who, by the way, nobody even saw at the stock exchange, and seeing Bruce Wayne is a big deal at that point in Gotham) sold off everything from the place where gun-toting maniacs were holding everyone hostage?

"Why yes officers, I noticed the gunmen, but I just HAD to get these stocks off my back and then squander the rest. I just kinda crouched under a table to complete the deal."

The characters in Nolan's films are very much archetypes. If we go by your definition one's a dream, one's a memory and one's a personification of the real world (although I consider her as a reflection of Batman, much as Harvey was in DK), - while this might be thematically fine, especially given the mythological weight given to everything; none of them are dynamic, rounded characters when compared to Maria Hill or Black Widow who are driven in their own right while Selina needs Batman to believe in her before she does good.

Miranda is motivated by gaining revenge for her father and Rachel, who begins as a moral centre, looses the moral superiority to Bruce's Batman and, after being the damsel in distress, is given the job of delivering a cure to Gordon.
In the second film she looses the leadership qualities she showed in the first film to Harvey while she again, becomes the damsel in distress and Bruce’s waiting salvation.

The lack of reality with the stock exchange; the shots that were clearly New York and not “Gotham”;
Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s “orphan intuition” and waiting for Bruce to make a third attempt at escape (he needs to do it without the rope!) all knocked me out of the movie - But - watching this I learned something about myself and Batman movies:

The movie does mention that probably the fraud would be detected and sorted out eventually. In the meantime, it was perpetrated via computer
(so Bruce didn't have to physically be there) and now that I think about it, the fingerprints were probably needed to gain access to the Bat-arsenal that Bane used to patrol the city.

but the bit that had me going "wait a minute" was the fact that he spent the first third of the movie limping with a walking stick, then we see him put on a set of knee braces that allowed him to kick holes in walls, but you never saw those braces again! there were numerous scenes of him leaping about the place without his exo-knees. I actually myself pissed off about that and not the other things!

To start with, it seemed to forget the point of ending to TDK wasn't just to turn Dent into a hero, but for Batman to be able to truly strike fear into the hearts of criminals. Him retiring for seven years misses out on that completely. Also, now that a couple favorable laws past and Joker's been put away, there's just no more crime in Gotham? And I don't buy the reasoning that he was too sad for seven years over the death of Rachel. Tragedy is fuel for the Batman. I suppose it is sort of the point that he only starts being Batman at the end of the movie, but then he just gets bitch-stabbed and quits. And Blake is going to become the new Batman with all his extensive training that every other cop in Gotham has? I'm also not sure if it bugs me more than Batman quit, or that Alfred quit and along with not saying anything snarky.

And to add to the bits about plot holes and inconsistencies and what not: Did nobody notice that Batman and Bruce Wayne came back at the same time (for the second time) and then died at the same time? Why was his leg even damaged? They mentioned something about the cartilage but didn't seem to explain it. The rest of his body was in perfect shape. Was the world really okay with the US doing nothing for five months? Wouldn't there have been a very significant amount of fallout from that goddamn nuclear blast? Why did Talia even bother telling them that she flooded the cave? If she let them find out on their own, they would have realized she'd won right before dying a horrible death.

It lost me at the spine punching. I just... REALLY? His vertebrae are sticking out of his back, you can physically see them and one strategically placed punch later he's back to fighting fit within a matter of MONTHS? Well enough to repeatedly jolt it by tying a rope around your middle and jumping... oh fuck it I give up. Maybe that doctor was just fucking with him.

And could you really calculate the deterioration of nuclear matter to the exact second or did I just not understand that entire bomb thing?

the "super-braces" were on under his clothes, whether in the Batsuit or his normal Wayne clothing. IIRC, we never saw Bale's bare legs again after that one scene

Clearly that guy in prison was there for tax evasion for the huge fees he collected while being the most awesome chiropractor the world had ever known. It's bits like that where you have to go, fuck it. It's a movie.

And no, you can't calculate nuclear decay anywhere near that precisely. Honestly, that was kind of stupid. It'd have made more sense if there had been some kind of timer triggered by the deaths of Bane or Talia or something.

the very gauche gesture where an older German gentleman stands up to him

Hawkeye throws off Loki's influence