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      CommentAuthorOsmosis
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012
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    It's time to kick off another thread about films, and I thought I'd start by chucking in my tuppeny about The Raid.  I heard an interview with the director (Gareth Huw Edwards - Jakarta via Swansea!) in which he talked about his influences - Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, John Woo, and District B13 - I think a lot of those were visible, but I was interested in viewers' comments which described the final fight with Mad Dog as a 'boss fight'.  It made me think that the film was quite reminiscent of a video game - minimal plot, relatively stock characters, a few cut scenes with dialogue, and lots and lots of action.  Maybe it's because I haven't seen a 'straight' martial arts film for a while, but I felt that rang quite true for me. 

    That's not to say I didn't enjoy it of course!  

    Next film I'm going to see is The Avengers, again, this time in tood. 
    • CommentAuthorflecky
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012 edited
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    I just got back from seeing Prometheus: I won't say too much, as I'm not too good at kicking-off discussions, and I would like to hear what other people think.
    If I could have given a bit of advice to myself before seeing it, it would have been not to expect all the answers to the questions the original Alien has always left me begging for.

    I've edited my comments, as I'm a bit confused about how I feel about it.
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      CommentAuthorFishelle
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012
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    I am very sad Prometheus won't be in the States for another week. Even though I'm probably too ill to go to the movies right now.
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    The Avengers 10 Disc Boxed Set is on sale for pre-order, and I WANT, but more importantly, I want this Blu-Ray Case:
    Helicarrier 30-Disk Case
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      CommentAuthorapefist
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2012 edited
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    I've heard from friends in Europe that Prometheus starts off well and then devolves into the same failed formula used by every ALIEN/AVP flick since 3. In fact, my friend said the second half of Prometheus is a carbon copy of the second half of ALIEN, but performed more along the lines of ALIEN3/AVP. And anytime AVP is used as a comparative term, that comparison can not be positive. Damn. But I'm glad to know beforehand. I'd hate to be making those disappointing comments firsthand to my friends on message boards. At this point, I'm merely a rumor monger.
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2012
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    82% rating so far on RottenTomatoes, which I find tends to be a fairly accurate predictor. I would worry about about fanboys distorting their expectations for the movie. Every fanboy wants The Answers To Be Revealed, and they are filled with Righteous Rage when it doesn't happen.
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      CommentAuthorOsmosis
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2012 edited
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    Prometheus party-poopage:

    I'm really interested to hear what this forum thinks of Prometheus. I was unimpressed, in all honesty. I didn't get hugely inflated expectations and then end up let down and betrayed by what Scott did to my beloved film, because I have just felt too busy to get interested in any massive build up over the last few months. I knew the film existed because of trailers and this forum, but I knew fairly little about it other than Fassbender. Which, really, is enough.

    But I don't think I could justify an 82% for it. For me, I found it fairly predictable and generic, with stock characters behaving as you've seen many do before (including in other Alien films). Interesting enough visual effects, I suppose. But I found the religion v science angle unconvincing - I've never seen the Aliens as remotely connected with religion or the divine. If anything, quite the opposite. The panspermia/chariots of the gods concept was interesting, but seemed to be retreading ground from some of the AvP films. And that's not a good sign.

    Fassbender was superb, as ever. Noomi Rapace likewise. Nobody else stood out. Some of the crewmembers were bad actors, full stop. Charlize Theron pretty much included - she phoned it in here. Looking good in a skintight jumpsuit (a uniform worn by no other crewmember!) isn't a replacement for acting.

    I know some people here were very excited about this film, but, for me coming in with zero expectation, I felt it was not a great effort. It feels like a shame.
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      CommentAuthorD.J.
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2012 edited
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    The thing people expecting answers from Prometheus need to realize is that it shares a writer with Lost.
    • CommentAuthorflecky
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2012 edited
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    Sadly, I think I have to agree with Osmosis. I'm not a fanman about much, but I had big expectations as Alien is one of my favourite films ever...and that had a bloke in a rubber-suit! Too much CGI isn't really doing it for me nowadays. It was one of the reasons I loved Moon, the great models.

    It's a small thing, but what's getting to me is that they are using that lovely, wailing, howling, siren-thing on some of the trailers for it on TV. It was used in the trailers for Alien, and it induces a sort-of euphoric-recall in me. Clever Bastards with their gimmicks...
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    Jesus fuck, Prometheus was worth skipping. No, a film should not be about answers or revealing this or anything like that, but goddamn... The most disturbing thing about the film was the loud *thunk* when the writers dropped the ball in the middle, plus I've seen better written characters in a 6/10 dime-a-dozen FPS.
    • CommentAuthorflecky
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2012
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    @Vornaskotti: HAHAHA. At this moment, I want to have your babies! Your fucking great, man!
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    Still looking forward to it, but one would think that if Ridley Scott wanted to give answers he probably would. I mean he's Ridley Scott, right? It seems that he's also thinking in terms of sequels? Might future movies elaborate on what we see here, if he gets to make them?

    Lindelof gets a look-see at anything he does from now on, for me. I loved LOST, every minute of it.
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      CommentAuthorTF
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2012 edited
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    I too agree with Osmosis and Vornaskotti.

    Hacky Hacky Hacky.

    I didn't really know what the movie would be about (in relation to Alien), I think I was expecting less of "Alien"- more of the wider world; after all: what needed to be answered?

    Ultimately it posed a question that I never knew I had - and then failed to give me a reason to care that it was being asked in the first place.
    Perhaps the answer I'm supposed to care about lies in Prometheus 2. It's sad that they seemed very concerned with building a new franchise but the saddest part of the film for me was when Ridley tried to do an AlienS set piece and... just couldn't make anything other than a mess.

    Also -
    I fucking hate this bullshit zombie trend fuckwits feel the need to engage in. There was a "zombie" in this movie. Fuck this movie.


    EDIT:

    My girlfriend just emailed me this link with the subject "Michael Fassbender"



    :-)
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    Well, I'm about to be the stick and this thread's the proverbial mud:

    I liked it.

    Since I saw the 'TED talk' from Guy Pearce way back and then the trailer, I stopped thinking about it. I'm fortunate as well here because I don't hold Alien in high regard [don't get me wrong, I know it's good and I like it but - on a subjective level - it's not in my top 10] and so didn't feel the need to re-watch it or even think about it that much before going to the cinema. I even skipped out on the 3D and saw it in tooD.

    For me, Prometheus, was a wide-ranging, cinematically gracious 2 hours that felt like 1 & a half hours.

    I do agree that the script was sometimes...er, misguided and trying a little too hard to be 'asking the big questions'. I also agree that the only two doing any actual acting in it were Fassbender and Rapace however I'd still give it 74% on those and the direction alone.

    The idea that
    we, as humans, are the descendants of a sacrificed Titan/engineer whose dna was mixed with the chemical/biological weapon has been covered by, and explored more subtly, elsewhere - yes. However it's Scott's nihilism here that proved, for me, the interesting factor.


    As a film, I think it's entertaining. It's certainly cinematically breathtaking and that in itself is a kind of entertaining.

    Even though it's been covered more subtly elsewhere, it's still the old philosophical question of synthetic life that intrigued me enough to keep on thinking about it:
    how much of a role does David have in his own life? Is he only following orders the whole time? I don't think so. He has an inherent will to survive as evinced by the end but also looks - to me - at the Titan/engineer as a grandfather and this asks the questions 'Does David want to find an understanding of his 'origins' as well? Does he seek acceptance that the humans don't show?' Throughout the film, there's an open question of whether he's Machiavellian or whether he's just seeking and when Guy Pearce's character is dying and says "It's nothing." David replies, "I know" yet David lives and wants to go on seeking.

    There's a wonderful duality in this: nihilism living inside an enquiring mind.

    The old Alien themes of the otherness of motherhood, reaping what you sow, and even the vast indifference of space are still there and, I feel, added to.

    Perhaps I saw David as the most interesting character because of his position as both antagonist and protagonist, this could be a critical failing on my part to fully see the whole but I'd argue that in my focus on him - and therefore seeing the other characters as necessary but not necessarily developed - is a natural consequence of the way Scott has cut it.

    Sure, it's not groundbreaking, but it sure is entertaining and - I'd say - quietly interesting.

    [Honourable mention goes to Rafe Spall who I thought was quite good in a bit part.]
    • CommentAuthorcjstevens
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2012
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    I made a pledge that I would only pay for two films on the big screen this year: TDKR and Django Unchained.

    On a recent trip to Warsaw where everything is basically half price, I made an exception and took a hot girl to see Avengers 3D. (2 tickets, glasses and all the popcorn/hotdog extravagances came to about 25 quid so by comparison to UK prices I was winning). It is also really good fun, I mean especially for people who would never have read things like the Authority and Ultimates etc. But IMO it's still not the greatest wow thing ever, maybe because I HAVE read and love all those epic comics..

    Anyway, my buddy wanted to see Prometheus and kept whining at me so I caved..It was cheap Tuesday...

    Sooooo......What a shambles, yeah it looks pretty, Rapace is the best thing about it, Fassbender is pretty decent (as always) but the story is -excuse me- bollox...It doesn't make any sense, the writers/director just tried to cram in so much explanation and stuff into the last hour that it became a jumble of horror movie cliche and Alien homage. Yeah the SFX looked pretty cool in 3D and the scene with the cesarian was fun but other than that, whatever. And that final bit when Idris pilot decides to take out the Engineer ship and his co-pilots are all like "OK lets do this waheey!" WTAF was that about?

    The last decent thing Ridders did was Black Hawk Down. Like so many of his generation of once great directors who still have huge amounts of cash thrown at them by the production companies, they need to hang up their cameras and just go and chill out on their private beach and smoke cigars or whatever it is they do...


    So anyway if you haven't seen Cave of Forgotten Dreams then go and see that. It is great.
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    Tee hee hee - spot on ;)

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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2012
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    yeah... i agree with hitler. the whole alien baby bit was insulting
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2012
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    I went to see Moonrise Kingdom this afternoon.

    This is the latest film by Wes Anderson, who produced / directed The Fantastic Mr. Fox, Rushmore, The Life Aquatic (with Steve Zissou), Darjeeling Limited, and The Royal Tannenbaums. Like all of those, they're all about austere whimsy, alienated and trouble characters, and understated acting. The style drives some people up the wall, and it doesn't always work. I think Rushmore flopped toward the end, and I was just a bit more than "Meh" about The Life Aquatic.

    Moonrise Kingdom is about a couple of tween kids -- a "Khaki Scout" gone AWOL from summer camp and a troubled girl native to the island the film is set on -- running off to camp in the woods. The girl's parents, the island/town authorities, the Khaki Scout leader and a social worker go out looking for them while a hurricane closes in on the island.

    The actress playing the girl (Kara Hayward) seems just a touch too old and too reserved for the role. Not mis-cast, but not perfect. I'm wondering if she had a growth spurt between casting and production. Bill Murray is great in his usual role in Anderson's films, an aging, disillusioned cuckold*. He plays the girl's father. (Man, what an arc that guy's career has taken.)

    Near the climax it gets into some frantic action, and I dunno if that's Anderson's forte. It's over quickly enough, but it didn't seem well handled. Other than that, it's typical Wes Anderson hypnotic strangeness: Odd little props and sets, shots set up so everything is subtly symmetrical. The one absence: There are few if any of the signature-typeface scene labels. Instead, Bob Balaban appears now and then to comment on things.

    * Well, I don't know if Mr. Badger's wife was cheating on him . . .
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    @Stefan my fiance really wants to see that, but I haven't been able to find it playing anywhere in Houston. Has it had it's full release yet?
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2012
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    I dunno . . . it appeared in Portland, in one theater, a week or two after its traditional big-city opening (NY, LA). I'm not sure if there's another round of openings after this one.