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    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2012
    Hmf. That's a topic for conversation. Top five Bond films?
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    @ Osmosis - my top 5:

    Casino Royal (2006)
    From Russia with Love
    Dr No
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    I am yet to see Skyfall...

    I feel slightly bereft - I haven't listened to a movie podcast since it came out so as to remain as unbiased as is humanly possible for when I see it on Thursday. I am only able to complete my top 5 today with what I know.

    My first Bonds were mostly so bad they're good and remain in there because they were formative to my understanding of Bond:

    License to Kill
    Tomorrow Never Dies [originally titled Tomorrow Never Lies, interestingly. Hereafter, no more formative shiz; now, it gets real]
    Quantum of Solace [haters gonna hate but this was pure Bond: multiple continents, action with a vengefullish purpose, and topical climate-change-ish threat - fuck yeah]
    From Russia with Love [just...classic]

    I'll update this after I've had a skinful of Skyfall.
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    I saw ANTIVIRAL a couple weeks back, a little a slow, sometimes fun, great punchline
    @Ben Gwalchmai I am also a Existenz fan, twas an amazing flick
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    Skyfall was okay. I'm admittedly not a Bond person, but it was an alright movie. Very reminiscent of the Dark Knight/The Dark Knight rises.

    The title sequence was pretty cool, though.
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2012
    I just won't have the time to see Skyfall or any other movie at the moment.

    I do wish they would just get going and make the live action version of Akira

    The bad guys in Looper and 2011's Chronicle were basically Memes
    of the Akira character.

    Heri Mkocha
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    I finally watched Skyfall, and it was pretty great but something that I thought was a clear part of the plot, even if it wasn't explicitly spelled out at the climax, like I thought it would be, seems to have gone unnoticed by my friends/a quick google:
    Silva, Bardem's character WAS James Bond. Either he is Timothy Dalton's Bond gone mental, or an unseen James Bond before Pierce Brosnan.
    1) When he has bond tied in the chair he says something like "I was M's favourite from 1986 to 1997. The exact years between Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnans Bond appearences.
    2) When he's captured he shouts to M "SAY MY REAL NAME." In the next room she tell's Craig's Bond some obvious bullshit about him being called Tiago Rodriguez.
    3) At the end by the chapel he see's Bond's parents gravestones, reads their names and laughs as if it's all a big joke. Plus the constant digs at Bond comparing himself to Craig.
    I spent the last half of the film expecting a final confrontation between Craig and Bardem where Bardem reveals an old photo of himself with black hair and a tux and 007 membership card, and goes "See, you're whole life is a lie, they made you! We're the same! mwahaha etc" but with more class, cause it was a classy film.
    I know Casino Royale being a clean reboot of the Bond films would go against this, but he has the 1960's astin martin so it's not like they're being strict with that rule, and Judi Dench was M at least by 1997
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    @AtomicSloth: Methinks you're reading a little too much into it...
    He's definitely supposed to be a mirror to Bond: Just as Bond took a bullet thanks to M's willingness to let agents die for the sake of the mission, Silva ate the cyanide pill. They both survived, and they both suffered a bit of a mental breakdown from what felt like a betrayal. They have the same training. Their difference lies in how they handled it. While Bond comes back to "mum" grudgingly, but he still comes back to HER, Silva develops a nasty obsession with punishing her and her whole world.
    Your interpretation relies on the idea that every new Bond actor is in fact a new James Bond within the same universe. Which is a fun idea, but it's about as flawed and convoluted to put together as the Zelda or Mario game timeline. Not that I wouldn't like to see someone attempt to do that! It'd be a neat timeline to see.
    Actually, looks like a buncha people have already explored the "James Bond is also just a codename" theory. One example is here.
    That one doesn't explore the idea that James Bond is brainwashed into thinking he's James Bond, but, y'know, you do realize that'd be even more of a wall-banger reveal than George Lucas putting midichlorians into the Star Wars universe. It would DESTROY James Bond as a character, it would fuel the fire of the people who think the Daniel Craig Bond flicks owe everything to the Bourne series... It'd be among the worst things you could do to Bond, because EVERY Bond movie would be made worse by it.
    The "1986 to 1997" line is nicely spotted, but like all the other Bond references in the flick, I'd just call it a reference.
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    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2012
    Bond is a Time Lord, who has his orignal personality in a pocket watch under the control of SIS. He regenerates occasionally. It's surprising he didn't after what happened at the start of Skyfall, but the two hearts obviously kept him going.
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2012 edited
    So I know this is kind of a classic Bond thing, but it still bugs me when the villain avoids shooting Bond for no reason and then just sits around while he begins his daring escape. The opposite is rather bothersome, too.

    "It is the most advanced encryption in the world, but I can hack it because I invented it." THEN IT IS A TERRIBLE ENCRYPTION METHOD.
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    Saw "Argo" today. Liked a lot. That's 3 for 3 Affleck directed films that I liked. I think Affleck is better behind the camera than in front of it.
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2012
    @D.J.: That entire sequence had me and my computer science friends laughing out loud. I'm pretty sure they just went to wikipedia, picked random CompSci terminology, and free associated from there.
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2012
    Hollywood has got to start learning soon that people are becoming more and more computer literate, right?
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2012
    Honestly, in this case I think it was the right move. There's always going to be people able to pick holes in whatever techno-babble solution they come up with, and the scene in question was bordering on tongue-in-cheek levels of programmatical silliness. Had they made a more concerted effort, it would likely have pulled me out of the movie due to nitpicking, but this I just laughed at and moved on.
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2012
    I suppose there's a point there, and the more I think on the movie the more I see its tongue-in-cheekiness. Though I'm still bothered by:
    -Silva's master plan relies on MI6 being complete buffoons
    -Bond's master plan to prevent M from being killed fails miserably and no one seems to care, which is particularly odd given his relationship thus far with Mallory.
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    I did think
    once they'd had to relocate to an entirely new building thanks to a computer vulnerability, they might be smart enough not to lock anyone in a cage with a computer-controlled door. But no.
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    I thought about Bond failing to protect M, and the thing is: Mallory and M both approved of the plan. It was the lesser of two evils: They could either risk a ton of lives in London by keeping the fight there, and still have no guarantee of M's safety, or they could take it outside, so to speak. Broadcasting the plan further might have driven Silva away for the moment, leaving him to wreak more havoc around the next corner.
    Basically, Bond's plan was putting M in the line of fire, making her an at-risk agent. Both she and Mallory accepted this... And it's no surprise she did, because that was her theme during Skyfall: Accepting the risk, or even the inevitability, that an agent could die thanks to her decision. Choosing the lesser of two evils.

    Regarding computery things, as I mentioned earlier,
    Silva's get-out-of-MI6-HQ plan is reliant on the computer genius doing something I, someone just mildly above averagely computer-literate for my generation, finds completely stupid. Here we have a master hacker, who puts the computer of a hacker who managed to blow up the MI6 headquarters from the OUTSIDE, right INTO the mainframe that also controls all the security and stuff. It's the equivalent of Clint Eastwood suddenly deciding that the best way to hold a gun is with the barrel pointed at his own face, or Chuck Norris roundhousing himself in the back of the head and knocking himself down an elevator shaft.
    Not to mention that they knew early on that Silva was coming to a meeting staffed by important people, and DIDN'T. WARN. ANYONE. ABOUT IT.

    That whole sequence was kinda soured for me thanks to that. Though I was placated when
    Silva dropped a train on Bond. That was his Goldfinger moment... Humiliating Bond to the point where all Bond could do was look grumpy.
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2012
    Lucky for Silva, London trains always run on time.
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2012
    I need to see Skyfall again, mainly so that I can watch the London sequences without trying to figure out where they are the whole time. Also: Jubilee line train. District line stations. Annoyance. Also also: they missed out on the chance to send him to Bond Street station. Generally I thought it was tops, though.

    My top five Bond films (after much offline discussion):

    1) Goldfinger
    2) Casino Royale
    3) You Only Live Twice
    4) Live and Let Die
    5) The Living Daylights

    ... I like Timothy Dalton, what of it?
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    ... I like Timothy Dalton, what of it?

    @Osmosis If you had said you liked George Lazenby's Bond, THAT would have raised some eyebrows.