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  1.  (10823.1)
    George Lazenby may be a model doing a connery impression but On Her Majesty's Secret Service will forever remain in my top two Bond films.

    It get's juggled around from time to time but the usual contenders are
    From Russia With Love
    You Only Live Twice
    The Living Daylights
    Goldeneye (special mention for GoldenEye64)
    Casino Royale

    Skyfall might be kicking one of those out unless I ever look to cloesly at those plotholes. I also remember loving The World Is Not Enough when I first saw it but haven't seen it since, and as Tomorrow Never Dies was horrendous and Die Another Day was half-horrendous, it may not be as good as I remember.

    Must say I despise the middle Moore films the most. His first two and the last one don't leave me a weeping pile of cringe though. As a kid Moore-bond films were spent in competition with the family looking for the cuts where you can see his ridiculous huge be-wigged stuntman.

    and as far as my now-looking-like-Head-Canon theory posted above
    Still what is up with silva laughing mockingly at Bonds parents gravestones and similar acts of knowing derision?
    And it's been revealed the Groundskeeper role was written for Connery, that's one for multiple-bonds-with-the-same-name-over-time-mostly-unaware-of-their-predecessors-and-silva-being-one-of-them-theory right?
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2012
    Dalton was the best Bond. The way he smoked cigarettes made you think that he was only doing so to avoid killing everyone in the room. His films weren't the best though, as the writing on them was fairly poor.

    The one scene in The Living Daylights where Dalton's Bond rips the dress off a woman so that the bad guy bursting through the door stops to look at her, so that Bond has a split second extra to shoot him in the face, is a horrible, but perfect moment that's never been surpassed as an example of both the misogyny and the murderous practicality of the character. Most people haven't seen it though, as it's cut whenever the film is shown on TV. I expect it's probably been cut for certification purposes on most of the releases, as it probably breaches the BBFC's guidelines on showing sexual content and violence at the same time too.
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2012 edited
    Dear lord what a mess Skyfall was. Seriously, it felt like someone just wrote up a pile of Post-It notes filled with cool ideas and then decided to call it a script. No continuity to worry about, I guess. (Hey, remember when Bond used to actually travel between exotic locations, or at least airports? Those teleportation plane tickets from Q div. are pretty nifty, though.)

    The plot made even less sense than you usual Bond plot, mostly due to the attempts at explaining it in the film, and that final battle felt like one of those endless boss fights in computer games, with clear autosave checkpoints between the different waves.

    All that said, some fine acting all around, so still beats TDKR in that respect.

    Hi. I'm old, and grumpy.

    Edited: TDKR, not TDK. The latter was awesome, but this year's attempt was a bit of a miss.
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2012
    I quite enjoyed Wreck It Ralph.
  2.  (10823.5)
    @oddcult: You realize that woman was Virginia Hey of Farscape?
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    I saw Lincoln today and really was amazed at Daniel Day Lewis' performance. Just hand him the best actor Oscar right now. The film itself is really good and one of Speilberg's best, but I felt it had a clumsy ending. In fact if you just cut the last 5 minutes off and it would have been perfect. The film is about Lincoln trying to get the 13th Amendment passed, we all know how he died. No reason to cover it here.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2012
    @cat vincent - Nope. Never seen Farscape.
  4.  (10823.8)
    @William Joseph Dunn: Lincoln dies at the end? DUDE SPOILERS! I haven't felt so bummed since they told me that the ship sinks in Titanic!

    But yeah. There's something to be said for ending a movie in a place where everyone knows what's going to happen. Roll credits moments before the shooting, or just as he goes into the theatre, or something, and it's always going to be more powerful than if you show the shooting everyone knows happened anyway.

    Reminds me of another great ending where you KNOW there's a huge shitstorm coming, not because of history, but because of what's just been done. Y'know, that other huge Daniel Day Lewis flick, "There Will Be Blood". Lewis' ending line has such a sweet double-meaning in that movie, and it ends at the perfect moment.

    Guess I'll have to see this movie now, anyway! And also getting a hankering to rewatch "Gangs of New York".
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2012
    Another way Lincoln could have ended: A short dramatization of the essay, excerpted in the Goodwin book on which the movie is based, by Leo Tolstoy. Tolstoy ran into a bunch of tribesmen in central Asia who had, less than forty years after the president's death, worked him up into a sort of demigod. It is simultaneously laughable and tearjerking.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2012
    This is one of those weird occasions where the US audience will say 'too much history, we know this stuff', but the global audience will actually need it.

    It might surprise the Merican's to learn that we don't really teach US history out here in the old country. It's part of what I love about Assassin's Creed 3. I can tell that people like me spend the whole game being surprised by the double-crosses and the way it goes, whereas the US audience get to be all 'cool, they're spinning our history in this really fun way' (a little like all the Ezio stuff in the previous games worked the other way)
  5.  (10823.11)
    @ Flabyo - Fair enough I guess, I guess I assumed that if someone was interested in seeing a movie about Lincoln, that the fact that Lincoln was assassinated would rank in the top two things that most people would know about him. That being said, if we are speaking strictly about story structure, it was unnessary to show and could have been put in text right after he says
    "I wish I could stay" and he walks down the hall away from the camera.
    I think that would have been way more powerful and poetic, but to me, the way it was done here, is another example of how Speilburg tends to not have enough faith in the audience's intelligence and spoon feeds them when it isn't necessary.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2012
    The top two things I know about Lincoln would be 'he was president' and 'he was assassinated'.

    That's literally it. I know more about obscure British Prime Ministers than I do about Lincoln. I certainly couldn't quote you anything much he might've said.

    Oh, he wore a bitchin' hat. So that's three things.

    (I'm reminded of how the UK movie 'The Madness of King George III' was renamed to lose the 'III' from the title outside the UK in case people thought it was a sequel... fact is, it's REALLY easy to think a historical film is dumbing down when it's your own culture in the movie)

    Not arguing with you that it could've been done better, just saying that in some places we really wouldn't notice, and it's fun to be on this side of that for once.
  6.  (10823.13)
    C'mon, you have to know he's on the U.S. penny...Batman has a giant one in the Batcave. So that's 4 things right there! :)
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2012
    @Flabyo He also had a pretty rad beard.
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2012
    One of the best things about Lincoln is that it isn't just about Lincoln. An amazing assortment of pols, soldiers, and lobbyists.

    I do wish the movie would at least have mentioned the other assassination attempts. Seward, for one, was damned near stabbed to death in his bed.
  7.  (10823.16)
    @ StephanJ - absolutely. It was interesting to see that even then, to get anything passed, it required some less than savory means by less than savory characters.
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2012
    And, you know, they cast Seward perfectly:
    William Seward
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2012
    Just got back from Skyfall and pretty much agree with Taphead. Less a good Bond movie with plot and more a vague idea of something to run in the background while the crew fulfill their "you know what would be cool?" list. Sad because it could have gone somewhere good, but that would have cut serious time in to the 45 minute chase scenes.

    Still, good acting. Really liked the guy who played Q.
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2012 edited
    @oldhat and Skyfall

    Roger Deakins
    , the director of photography (cinematographer) for Skyfall is getting masses
    of praise for the work on what is a totally digital film. Unlike Batman Darkn Knight Rises which was shot on film.
    He's getting love, because he knocked it out of the park!

    I was looking at the Alexa camera used for the film at an Expo a while back ,
    and they were saying they were going to use this to shoot the next bond movie.
    Everyone was "cool" but skeptical. He smashed all doubters!

    and he's a cool guy , he's got a forum where you can ask him newbie "how did you do that"
    questions- Roger Deakins Forum

    Heri Mkocha
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2012

    I'm trying to figure out if you liked it or just liked the cinematography.