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London Zoo: Amanda Palmer (The "Fuck You, Pay Me" Debate)

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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2012
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    Remember Orwellseyes? He could put the cat amongst the pigeons. And where's Looneynerd these days? He'd smack ya with BOOK-LEARNIN'. Yep, good to see we still got the fire in the belly ...
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2012
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    I actually think I heard that orwellseyes passed away. And Looneynerd just got sick of things.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2012
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    Aw, jeez, he said, exactly like Moe the Bartender.
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      CommentAuthoroddbill
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2012
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    I do remember orwellseyes had a cancer scare and was gone for a year of living in the face of the end, but briefly came back when it looked like maybe the end was deferred. Then he just stopped posting.

    Looney was in Turkey, last I recall. He used to tweet sporadically.
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    I was going to suggest there could be a 'Where Are They Now' thread, but going on this evidence it could be a bit of a downer.

    To get back on thread, it's good that Amanda Palmer is paying the musicians, it's just a pity she had to go through such a rigmarole to do it.


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    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2012
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    What this shows is that 'Fuck you, pay me' has a lot of weight of support behind it and anyone in future that wants to say that can point at this and confidently say that when someone who's making money from something wants people to work for them, they shouldn't expect it for free or 'exposure'.
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    I've lurked in this discussion because I really couldn't figure out which side I was on (was slowly erring towards the 'she should pay them...' camp fwiw).

    But it has been an extremely interesting and well conducted debate, and yes, in marked contrast to a lot of other places.
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      CommentAuthorTF
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2012
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    I was sure I was going to see orwellseyes on Oprah someday with a best selling autobiography. What a life. :-(

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    I’m just trying to finish this off for myself: I find it interesting that the money to pay the session musicians came from her music video budget as motion picture creative’s have strong union protections (assuming her plan was to use a unionised director and crew) and that she had thought to put that money aside from the early “Update 5” budget – but, fuck that ‘cause this is done - now I wondering what comes next....

    I think Palmer’s problem was reconciling her old business model with the one now expected of her by her fans/supporters who feel she has broken through to a higher level of the entertainment industry and (more awkwardly) a secondary audience of people watching the “experiment” unfold who expect her to meet the same professional standards as a public corporation.

    It’s tough to be the first (or most high profile) person to do something and to have to write the rule book as you go. The principals and mechanisms for the governance of crowd sourced funding for artistic products haven’t been established yet.

    I hope these develop organically through funding communities until a generally accepted model appears.
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    30,000 TO PRESS AND SHIP 1500 7"S

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

    hahahahahah

    while i dont think the whole 'asking fans to learn 3 songs and play for a guest list spot + tab' isnt that bad, this is the kind of horseshittery that still makes me question everything this woman does. that price would put this at 3x the cost of even the most expensive boutique labels
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    @ joe.distort - yes but the covers for those 7"s are woven together by the finest gossamer thread made by an almost extinct spider that can only be found in the darkest jungles of the Amazon.
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      CommentAuthorOsmosis
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2012
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    Looneynerd dropped in some months ago, I remember. That man knew his Levantine history.

    And is that true about orwellseyes? Because ... Aw, jeez.
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    @joe.d

    It ain't seven inches, sir. According to the Kickstarter, the $30,000 is going to ship and press a vinyl package of: "two 180 gram black records in a gatefold package. includes a set of heavy-stock inserts with artwork, lyrics, and photographs. PLUS deluxe digital download & thank-you card."
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      CommentAuthorjoe.distort
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2012 edited
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    the breakdown that was linked didnt really specify. 30,000 for 1500 double LPs isnt insane. not a GOOD price, but its not batshit crazy
    • CommentAuthorCrusherJoe
    • CommentTimeSep 25th 2012
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    I'd like to thank everyone for reminding me why this is my favorite forum, and while I don't participate much, when I do comment online, it's usually here at Whitechapel. Even with the above mentioned left-field entries, this is the place to find well thought out posts, and not a lot of vitriol. I hadn't stepped in because like a couple have said already, others have said it for me. I'm very glad this thread didn't turn radioactive.

    That said, I'll be doing more theater, short films and the like for love, lunch or lucre, because while I'm a professional, this whole thing solidified for me that my favorite people in the world are creative types who know their worth, sometimes even making a living at what they do... and then volunteering when it's something they love.

    Thanks to everyone who participated.

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