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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2012
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    Tell me of it.

    Links, articles, books, stories (I can check wikipedia on my own). I need to dive in and dive in NAO - I'm researching for a theatre presentation I'm to give first thing Saturday morning.

    But I'd like to know what people are doing today. What the plans are within the next few years, if anyone knows of any. And maybe...maybe some history? Where did it come from? What was the founding aesthetic?

    give me the informayshuns!! pretty please?
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    Not much to add personally, but have you had a look at grinding.be ?
    http://grinding.be/2010/07/27/the-transhuman-race/
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2012
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    Ah no - I completely forgot about grinders. YES thank you!
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    I haven't read much on it lately, other than not-our h+ appearing on my feed list as of late.
    I'm wondering if it's just simmered down, or what.
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      CommentAuthorwerwolf
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2012
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    @rootfireember nah, hasn't simmered down a bit, but most people involved just realized that it's a bit daft and juvenile to call that whole bundle of affairs 'transhumanism' and tried to get all grown-uppy by specializing and calling it different names. which is fine, as long as something reasonably satisfying comes from it. we'll see...

    @razrangel here, i'll give you a list of resources i usually peruse, in alphabetical order. not all of them are strictly 'transhumanist', but have at least strong connections to that memeplex.
    i'm not gonna comment on any of them, i assume you'll notice for yourself that some of them will have to be taken with a grain (or several tons) of salt.

    http://www.acceler8or.com/
    http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/
    http://magazine.enlightennext.org/
    http://grinding.be/
    http://hplusmagazine.com/
    http://ieet.org/
    http://www.fightaging.org/
    http://www.nextnature.net/
    http://openthefuture.com/
    http://www.poptranshumanism.com/
    http://singularityhub.com/
    http://singularity.org/blog/

    and then there are of course things like katerva, lift, poptech, worldchanging, alex knapp's colum, TED and many, many others that also have some useful content.
    also: can't list any more, because they're in my feedreader and i don't know all the uri by heart. and my feedreader is not synched with this pc here. oh well...
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2012
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    For basics I think everyone went through a Kurzweil phase. Check out his site. Also the book "The Singularity is Near".
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2012
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    Woot!! tons of info! Love it!! thanks wee!!!

    Now to sort through it. I am hoping to work out the founding principles or ideals. I mean beyond the actual mechanical, tangible facets of transhumanism/grinding and get at some kind of philosophy or paradigmatic structure. (Chances are anyone proposing one is pushing an agenda, so I'm trying to build one for myself based on everything I've encountered.)

    @werwolf - given this is clearly a big interest of yours (and @root, too!) can you give me some personal insight on what excites you about this, what exercises or tasks have you set for yourself in this arena? OR how has H+ rearranged your thinking?

    Deeply curious... }:>
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    I'm liking a lot of what I read at Cyborgology - Singularity-critical, but sharp observation of how integrated to tech we are and will be.
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      CommentAuthoradampark
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2012
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    Personally I have my doubts about the impending Nerd-Rapture and just what exactly we shall be on the other side of it, but the theory of the legal aspects of transhumanism have always been the most fascinating to me. I mean, someone has to be the one who takes that first cognizant step towards progressing beyond this race - but what does that mean for the rest of us? Does our legal system of human rights still apply to someone who is "beyond" human? Do their assets & chattels still belong to them, or do they automatically secede to next of kin? If someone deletes an uploaded mind, is it murder or merely an act of cyber-vandalism?

    Not to mention how the old men in the churches & temples are gonna take it... Oy
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2012
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    @adampark *grin*

    I'm actually going to pitch a story to my theatre company that we build a play (do company-devised works, meaning we get together and create a play that doesn't already exist) that takes a look a the future iteration of Human (whether H++ or android or something else) and suggest that they may make a religion out of trying to be and prove that they are human when the original no longer exists. Because we're big into theme and I'm the only one in the group who enjoys speculative fiction I'm gunning for paralleling the drive for those future iterations to be their own ideal humans with our current Humanity's desire for the divine/supernatural/need for superstition.

    I just also need to be able to explain Transhumanism/H+/singularity/grinding etc.

    Yeah, I don't know that I've got much of a chance in hell. But I hope it gets someone excited! Or at least I hope I don't get voted down and then have everyone and their brother come up afterword telling me how cool it was but they didn't want to go along because ...wah...wah...genre stuff.

    Anyway, this is exciting to me and hope I get the chance to investigate more!
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    Oh yeah - there's also the Bryan Singer produced web series H+. Pretty good, nice short chunks of very watchable SF.
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    YAYS all the links!
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2012
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    Thank you so much guys!! I'm definitely adding this to my homework pile!

    Pitch wasn't accepted in the end, but it was very, very close! Got a lot of people very excited! So I'm definitely going to keep filling my head with inforemayshuns until to comes gurgling out my ears. }:>

    Grah!! THE possibilities!! Please, keep sharing if you think of more, and if you would be kind enough to share your personal thoughts and interests, that would be rad!

    *heart*
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      CommentAuthorwerwolf
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2012
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    @razrangel my personal insights? wow, that's a chunk- i've been working on a 'transhumanism primer' serial for a magazine here for over a year now and still have nothing to show, that i'd be comfortable with for publishing. XD but i can at least try to give you an overview of what i think...

    well, first off, i'm actually quite opposed to the word 'transhumanism' and how it's being used. that's might seem like semantics, but bear with me. there are to practical applications of the word: on one hand it is being applied to the strict sense of post-singularity life (as in: minduploads, ghosts, immortality and so on) and on the other there's the broader specturm of anything that might be used to 'enhance' humanity in the sense of sustainable growth and life. that's probably where 'h+' is actually being used more often than 'transhumanism'. in both cases i'm of the opinion that the word 'transhumanism' - and it's logical follow-through, 'posthumanism' - give the impression of a culture removed from what we currently view as humanity. and i see it being used by critics and advocates in that manner. however, i think h+ should be read as an expansion and enhancement of humanity in general - tools that are being made available to enable more varieties of living modes and at the same time diminish our destructive vectors. so, i my opinion we're not trying to transcend humanity, instead we're trying to make options available to humanity. you see, there's still a lot to be explained here, but it won't fit into a forum and i'm really having a hard time putting it all in writing (mind you, that's a book right here...).

    that being said, my focal interest in transhumanism stems from its own origins in cybernetics and system theory. and how those theories can be applied to such a broad range of human endeavor. in the 80ies, when transhumanism first gained popularity - back then cloaked as cyberpunk and biohacking and associated subcultures - it was still all rather narrow and well defined. but with the second surge starting in the early 2000's it showed that there's a lot more in that package: medicine, education, ethics, politics, economics, architecture and so on and so forth. i used to be - and actually still am - quite pessimistic when it comes to humanity in general. i believe that we're way past our point of return and that our species is going to effectively make itself extinct within the next 100 years or so. or be it 500 years. but some of the ideas that come from this 'transhumanism' complex - especially since all of them aim for sustainable solutions - make me actually think that there might still be something that can be done about and for humanity. and in my opinion that 'transhumanist' memeplex is our best shot.

    i get that this is all very esoteric sounding, but i do have very concrete ideas about a lot of things - but, truth be told, it would take me hour and hours to write all of them down here, so i'd rather not. :)

    as to your questions regarding my personal aims and how it might've affected my thinking... well, my personal views have changed in that i'm now more conflicted than ever before - 'bah! humans! how i hate them and their disgusting destruction and carelessness! it's about time we wiped ourselves out! ... but, hey, this idea is really neat and forwardlooking and actually makes a lot of sense. and there are people actually investing a lot of time and effort into it... hmmm...' - and that i try to spread the word about what's going on in those areas and actually get into discussions to clear out bias as best as i can. also, i'm pursuing my personal interests which are mostly rooted in body modifications, nano-level medicine/engineering, biohacking, organic architecture and communications/media theory (yeah, i still didn't get over cyberpunk... so sue me...).

    ok, this is probably not the kind of feedback you were looking for, but it's the best i can crank out right now. (i've just finished writing a business plan and i'm spent...) but i'll try to answer more concrete follow up questions.
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2012
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    @werwolf - No that's fabulous!! Just reading the articles on the various sites I've been to helps a little, but for my purposes I really need to know what people are thinking and feeling. Essentially, WHY go H+?

    the more you can tell me what makes you interested and where your feelings came from and where you see this all headed, the more I get to understand what all the hullabaloo is. And I'm very interested in your thoughts on giving humans extra options, rather than transcend their species. What I've read has been exactly the opposite and actually something that is very hard for me to get a feel for.

    I will have to mull what you've written here. I know I have more questions but I have to think.... Thank you!! }:>

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