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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
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    Romney definitely had the upper hand in terms of attitude, but as far as what the candidates were both saying, the Economist's Democracy in America liveblogging put it best when they said:

    "I'm not sure if I'm learning anything from this debate, but I expect to learn a lot from the fact-checks that will inevitably follow."
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
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    CNN's poll put Romney as the winner but most of the demographic of people who responded were older, white, Southern males; apparently no other demographic responded with any kind of statistical significance.

    That being said, Romney did seem to be harder hitting than Obama in this debate though his promised zingers apparently were misshipped to Obama ("You didn't work with Republicans on Obamacare." "It was a Republican idea.")
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
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      CommentAuthorTF
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012
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    Snoop Dogs Voting Logic:

    snoop
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      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeOct 7th 2012
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    "He reminds me of every boss I ever hated."

    Dog's got a point, folks.
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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeOct 7th 2012
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      CommentAuthorTF
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2012
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    Rumble in the Air-Conditioned Auditorium: Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly's epic debate of epic-ness

    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2012
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    @ TF - that was unexpectedly excellent. I thought I'd browse it for highlights, but ended up watching the whole thing and actually came out of it with an increased degree of respect for Bill O'Reilly. Which is something that really surprised me.

    What it really illustrates is that O'Reilly and Stewart are in exactly the same game - turning news into entertainment, not a way to be informed. That's something that Stewart uses as a defence quite frequently, but it seems that O'Reilly either understands this and is now grudgingly admitting it, or if he didn't before, is now. Stewart is frequently not so much attacking O'Reilly's political position as the quality of information that Fox 'News' offers, and asking O'Reilly, as a principled guy, to do better, or to drop the pretence that what he's doing is actually news.

    But what was fascinating and I would have expected to be a touch hypocritical in theory, although it didn't come across that way, was how O'Reilly also seemed to take a few guarded shots at people like Limbaugh and Coulter, who it seems he has an issue at being grouped with, when he sees his role as different to theirs, which is purely profit-hungry.

    What's important about this is that it's showing how two people with widely differing views can debate and try to find common ground, or at least, challenge each other constructively, which is something that's been missing is both American politics and public discourse.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2012
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    @Oddcult

    The thing about Stewart and O'Reilly is that, while they very much disagree with each other, they have always been professional and genuinely like the other person as a person. While I am not a fan of his I believe that O'Reilly has gotten "better" as an individual for their friendship because, in some instances, I think he's changed from his earlier days at Fox News; for instance, he recently came out in support of a trangendered woman when other people at Fox were going after her.

    Of course, there's the whole "The tides, how the fuck do they work!" sort of thing and I think he shares some culpability in the murder of Dr. Tiller but it has been interesting watching their relationship change through the years.
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2012
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    ...actually came out of it with an increased degree of respect for Bill O'Reilly. Which is something that really surprised me.


    It was the same for me.
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    The difference is Stewart's audience understands that he is a comedian and O'reilly's doesn't.
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      CommentAuthorD.J.
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2012
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    Snoop Lion*
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2012
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    "I think he's changed from his earlier days at Fox News; for instance, he recently came out in support of a trangendered woman when other people at Fox were going after her... "

    Just gonna leave this here.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeOct 8th 2012
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    And?
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
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    Shame that there wasn't a rule to take a drink everytime Biden laughs.

    What a fun debate.
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    Finished my drink whenever Biden mentioned Scranton. I will also say that it is good to see Foreign Policy Biden again.
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    I find Biden's assertions intriguing and I wish to subscribe to his administration.
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
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    Should have also taken a drink whenever Ryan mentioned a personal best friend him and his family made while campaigning.

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