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    • CommentAuthor256
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2012

    I have this feeling that it's from Bill Bryson. Did a bit of googling in an attempt to confirm that, and failed, but that's my hunch.
    • CommentTimeOct 19th 2012
    Got it! It's Chris Morris as Ted Maul, from an episode of Brass Eye. Thanks for the brain-wracking, all.
    • CommentTimeOct 19th 2012
    Got it! It's Chris Morris as Ted Maul, from an episode of Brass Eye. Thanks for the brain-wracking, all.
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    I have no idea what that show is nor do I recognize the actors name... Makes me wonder where I heard it from.
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    making a living out of art#

    Hi whitechapelers

    A lot of you seem to be artists I was wondering if you have ever found any good books or resources to help sell paintings for a living. There seem to be a fair few self help books knocking about but they all seem pretty suspect to me. So I was wondering if you have any advice or if you could point me in the right direction.

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    I've been thinking a lot about that one. I basically have about 12 months to start making a serious income or I'm going to have to give up my studio and practice and go get a job.

    I've got a lot of different strategies, not sure if any of them will work or not, but I figure it's best to keep my bets hedged. I'll see if I can formulate them into a brisk paragraph. Probably be good discipline anyway, clarity of goals and all that.

    Let me think on it and I'll get back to you.

    In the meantime, here's a standardised hashtag.
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    @Chris #makingalivingfromart

    -the books I've relied on when selling and trying to get sold are the Graphic Artist's Guild Pricing & Ethical Guidelines, as well as the book How to survive & prosper as an artist without selling your soul. Also: Contracts. Do not work for anyone without a contract.
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    Also: Contracts. Do not work for anyone without a contract. (It bears repeating.)

    Good, sound boilerplate contracts aren't too hard to find on the internet. But even if you don't want to do that, at least sit down and write out what you and they agreed to: "I will produce a work of art within this timeframe to these specifications. They will pay $X for it (Y% in advance, the rest on completion). [They/I] (pick one) will own the work, but [I/they] will have the right to do A and B with it." Then both sign it. That will avoid a whole lot of disputes based on misunderstandings, and if a dispute happens anyway: yes, a simple contract like this is enforceable in court.
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012 edited
    Far as quick and easy contracts: this. This series of books forever that also come in specialty flavours like illustrators, graphic designers, photographers, etc. It was so essential for me when I first went freelance.

    The rest of my knowledge comes from 4 years art school, 5 years working in a fine art gallery.

    But! I've heard people say nice things about these following books:
    The Artist's Guide: How to Make a Living Doing What You Love
    "Starving to Successful: The Fine Artist's Guide to Getting Into Galleries and Selling More Art"

    Because really, once you have your art thing down (style, mediums, workflow), what you honestly need is to get proper business/marketing sense.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2012

    This all applies to independent game dev as well. The main advice I've had from friends who've done that and done well is always 'get your legal side straight, get clear contracts for everything'.

    There's been a pretty high profile Kickstarter blow-up this week in gaming because the project no longer has any coders to work on it.
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    will look into these books
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    Cheers Jason, it is proving a bit of a challenge to find, especially any who were blind before the visual metaphors would have started to be formed. I'll keep on trying.
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2012

    Not exactly what you're after, Steve, but the latest episode of Radiolab might give you some inspiration. Two blind guys discuss how they 'see' the world.
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    Thanks for that. It was very useful, particularly the part where John Hull talks about his grandson.
    • CommentAuthorKosmopolit
    • CommentTimeOct 27th 2012 edited
    Not totally on point because he lost his sight as an adult but James Holman may be relevant here.

    Jason Roberts' book about Holman "A Sense of the World" is great because not only is it a biography of an extraordinary individual it covers the contemperary debate about whether Holman had really experienced Fernando Po; South Africa; Siberia etc if he hadn't seen those places and Holman's responses to his critics.