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    • CommentAuthorroadscum
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2013
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    @allana: Thanks. I wasn't intending to shag it though.

    @curb: That's more along the lines of what i was thinking. As to why, just a little idea i had, i'll let you know if it goes anywhere. Absolutely nothing to do with the state of the local traffic wardens or anything.

    @Oddcult: But they must be real - i've seen 'em on the telly and the pictures an' everyfink...
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2013
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    Just sayin' ... none of the above.
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      CommentAuthorOsmosis
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2013
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    FINE BEARD SIR.
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    @ Scrymgeour I have to go to school first and get two certifications it will not take long and i have to do an internship which oddly enough have already started cultivating that. My old day job of doom was a Dental Lab technician so I pretty much know all the teeth stuff I just need a piece of paper that is mandated by law that says I can be chair side even if the patient isn't living. My dream job (which just may stay open for a while) is with a military research facility.
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    #sailing on the wide accountan-cy

    I'm highly considering going back to school (finally) to become an accountant. Does anyone on here have any experience with doing that? What was involved? I'm looking into it online right now myself, but also figured I'd ask on here just in case.
    Location: BC, Canada (because that seems to matter some.)
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2013 edited
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    #ahoy matey

    My SO mentioned something about a well-paid course taught at H&R Block recently. It was evenings and you're basically guaranteed a job afterwards - I think because they only train just before tax season? See if you can Google it in your area. They're smart to capitalize on career-hoppers in this way. Can't answer to the operability of the credentials though.

    ETA: My mistake, the training is NOT paid.
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      CommentAuthorglukkake
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2013
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    #accountan-cy

    I am surrounded by accountants. My mother & father are them, in the US though, so I'm not sure if their experience is totally relevant? But from what I could tell from them & the younger people I know who became accountants, it has been the most straightforward and successful career path of obtain degree, get money. My mom is an accountant at a non-profit (comptroller, technically) on her bachelor's degree. My father is a CPA/has a masters and leads international tax departments (he works for one of the biggest advertising firms currently). Both have had fantastically secure careers with very good paychecks, so they're disappointed that I went into art and will never have money, heh.

    I know at one point my mom did an H&R Block thing. You needed to have a minimal education in tax preparation and it's seasonal work. I believe she started there after completing college, but hated it - she said the money was too low for the work. They do offer a foundation course for tax preparations too, which I'm guessing is that you can basically train under them, then become one of their tax preparers, which is kind of cool. But I'm not sure on the upward mobility aside from inside H&R Block and then branching off to do personal taxes freelance. Everyone I know has gone to college for working at a company or eventually starting their own company.
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      CommentAuthorVornaskotti
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2013 edited
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    #digitalartfornewbies

    Hello. Okay, so how would one go around to getting into trying a bit of digital art, if one was very much a visual arts noobie, the previous experience being a handful of felt tip pen illustrations in the 90's? Would it be a total overkill to buy a drawing tablet, and if not, what would be the best one for a Mac user visual arts newbie, who is one level above sticking the stylus up his nose?

    What I've wanted to start tinkering with for a long time is this style I don't know the name for, but it's fairly two dimensional, very clear shapes and colours, something you could create by cutting pieces out of different coloured paper. Highly stylised. Something a bit like this for example. That would be where I'd like to start, and it sounds like what I need is a nice easy to use vector illustration program.

    So, the actual questions might be the following:

    1) Is it stupid to skip the "analog" and start tinkering directly with digital tools? Should I try and become proficient with traditional stuff first?
    2) Should I get a drawing tablet, would it make the beginning easier or harder? Drawing with mouse feels somehow unintuitive.
    3) As for vector art, I do have Adobe Suite CS5 with Illustrator lying around, but is it a bit too heavy for a beginner? If so, what would be a better program to start with?
    4) Other programs, if I want to try out more traditional digital drawing or painting, what would you recommend?
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      CommentAuthorYskaya
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2013
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    #digitalartfornewbies

    Drawing on paper and going to live sketching sessions/drawing 'plein air' is different from drawing from a 2d reference picture.

    Sure you can skip analog, but why would you skip gaining experience?

    Tutorials
    ctrl+paint and Proko show the basics of (digital) drawing and more

    Drawing tablets
    This is a nice tablet i'm currently using: doesn't break the bank has nicer line pressure variations than wacom intuos 3. Some other tablet reviews by ray frenden

    Tablet proficiency tip(s)
    Move it on your lap or/and play a couple of computer games with the tablet to familiarise yourself with the pen and learn not to look at the tablet + screen at the same time.

    Drawing programs:
    Adobe illustrator is a heavyweight but if you can get it it's very nice. Some alternatives:

    inkscape | sketch | mangastudio (mixes pixel & vector)

    For just drawing without giving yourself the distraction of endlessly tinkering with the program options: Sketchbook Pro

    If you're on an iPad 3 there's Procreate (the adobe photoshop but slimmed down experience.)
    Fyi the pressure sensitive pogo connect (you can draw like a cintiq on an iPad idea) is a bit of a dud. When it works it's nice but it tends to fall apart quickly and doesn't work with an iPad air :\
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    @Allana -- Thank you. I asked around and found out that a friend of mine took the H&R Block course and worked there for a season. They hated it but it sounds like it was mostly due to high stress, over-worked, and dealing with grumpy idiots that thought they could do the job better... I've found a 2 year diploma program that would let me get in to working at an accountants office and from there take more school to further my career.

    @Glukkake -- It looks like it doesn't really matter where you're from and that an accountant can kind of work in any country. Having a secure job and good paycheques is a nice incentive, but do they both like what they do? Do they usually work a 9-5 type job and then get really crazy around tax season or is it usually fairly steady for both of them? (My understanding so far is that it depends on what type of accountant work you get in to.) Thanks for letting me know that it's worked well for people that recently started out in it. It's all a bit frightening to me.
    Are you able to ask anyone that went to school for it recently what they thought of the program they were in? (Difficulty, length of time, hours per week put in to it, that type of thing?) Anyone that I have access to took it all so long ago that a) it's completely different now and b) they don't remember.
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    #digitalartfornewbies

    A while back I wrote this post, distilling what passed for my wisdom on the subject of getting start in digital art. I'd probably agree with most of it today, with updates.

    Microsoft's recently renewed belief in the Tablet has resulted in a lot of better hardware becoming available, including the Surface and workalikes from Asus, Lenovo, etc. Or pick up a used TabletPC device from a few years ago and save a bunch of money (in exchange for weight and battery life). I've done quite a bit of work drawing on an old Lenovo Thinkpad X60 laptop/tablet.

    Wacom stylus tablets are still the gold standard, but there are now more-affordable alternatives: Monoprice as a substitute for Intuos-style tablets, and Yiynova MSP-19U and MVP-22U as substitutes for Cintiq display-tablets.

    With the various pressure-sensitive styluses that have been kludged for the iPad, it's now possible to use it for drawing, but I'd still go with a used Tablet PC running Windows 7 instead, because you can use Manga Studio and other mature full-featured Windows apps on them.

    Speaking of which, Manga Studio has been overhauled with a new version that – for comics-making purposes – is a seriously viable alternative to both Photoshop and Illustrator, and has the advantage of being software-you-buy instead of software-you-rent.
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      CommentAuthorGreasemonkey
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2013 edited
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    #digitalartfornewbies

    If it's something you can realistically manage, save up the money for a Wacom.
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      CommentAuthorglukkake
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2013
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    @Warped - both people I know worked part time jobs while also going to school, so while it's hard, it's not insanely time consuming. So long as you have the head for it, I guess. One girl kind of went the way of bookkeeping after graduation, rather than trying to do professional accountancy. But I think she struggled in her program a little. The other woman I know got a small job in the tax department of my dad's company and has been making her way up through promotions. She's doing really well for herself. I'll ask them what the program was like when next I see them.

    My parents love what they do - my mom retired early last year to try to spend time with her sister, who died shortly after, so she went right back to work because she was bored at home. Also case in point, in this economy, she's 64 and just got a job that I think is paying her more money than the one she retired from. My dad will work until they shove him out and he also does personal tax returns for a few people for extra money from home. They work 9-5 and then come the spring time are pretty busy with the tax season & audits. I think one of my mother's previous companies was audited every year just after April, so they had differing stress periods that kind of balanced out.
    • CommentAuthorEberhorn
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2013
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    Alright: Two Questions, both relating to the novel I am writing on:

    1. I don't know where, but somewhere, in a book, I guess, I read something about a... well, and there's the rub.

    I don't know what to call it, really. Something like a shared/inherited consciousness/knowledge.
    Basically, the sentence that is stuck in my head goes like:
    "If anyone knows or ever knew the answer to your question, then the knowledge exists, and you know it, too, if you can just calm your mind enough to let yourself know it."
    I have spent literally days trying to recall where I read it, been through books and the internet, to no avail. If anyone knows what I am talking about, and maybe knows what that theory is "called" (other than "BS"), I'd be very grateful.

    2. I need a word. A Verb. Something that describes how "sludge" moves. In the sense of "water flows, sludge ...XXX?"
    I actually need it in German, so that would be a totally awesome bonus, but anything helps at this point. "Oozes" doesn't fit. And "sludges" doesn't help.
    To explain, I'm trying to name a river that is so choked with trash that it doesn't really flow anymore. In German, "River" is "Fluss (Flow)" which is the noun from "fließen (flowing, like water)". So I want to to describe that sludgy river by naming it the noun from the verb that describes how sludge moves.

    Now I'm confused.

    Help?
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    1) Collective Unconscious. It's one of the tenets of Jungian psychology.

    2) sich wälzen
    • CommentAuthorEberhorn
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2013
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    The first looks to be what I wanted, so cheers for that. Very grateful.

    The second is not exactly what I was looking for. Or maybe it is. I'm not sure, yet.

    Anyway, very awesome.

    Thank you!
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    @Eberhorn

    Some poking around on Thesaurus.com suggests...

    Gloops, Glugs, Diffuses, Dribbles, Exudes, Bleeds, Leaches, Spurts, Weeps, Trickles, Sweats, Seeps

    And in terms of a river so choked that it doesn't flow anymore...

    Stews, Percolates, Settles, Ferments, Festers
    • CommentAuthorEberhorn
    • CommentTimeNov 10th 2013
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    God, I feel like such a dick, but it hasn't clicked yet.

    I'm eternally grateful for the effort, though. At the very least, it's inspiration. Maybe I'm thinking more along the lines of "spreading inexorably, slowly, maliciously..." Curiously enough, I did not find a word for THAT.

    Thanks.
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      CommentAuthorYskaya
    • CommentTimeNov 10th 2013
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    Eberhorn:

    Schlamm, Matsch, Sumpf = Mud/cesspool

    Checkout this dictionary and have an associative rump through the contents. Perhaps just find Dante's inferno in both English and German and check out the circles of hell translations for more inspiration?
    • CommentAuthorEberhorn
    • CommentTimeNov 10th 2013
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    I love you all to bits, but I'm still not there.

    I thought about "swallowing" or "Maw", but that's not it.

    What do you call sliding when it's really, really slow? Ponderous, but inevitable. Patient but unstoppable. And could you use that to describe the lumbering movement of an almost stagnant river?

    If anyone remembers "the Blob", that old horror flick, and the slightly less old remake, how would you describe the Blob's movement? Or Lava? Or toxic sludge?