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			<title type="text">Whitechapel - Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
			<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T15:11:22-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Greasemonkey</name>
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			So, let's discuss the Fake Nerd Girls thing.

This is still Whitechapel, so no being an arsehole, eh?
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			<![CDATA[So, let's discuss the Fake Nerd Girls thing.<br /><br />This is still Whitechapel, so no being an arsehole, eh?]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T15:49:15-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
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			<name>roadscum</name>
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			Strange though it may sound, one tried to follow me on twitter. I shooed it away and it hasn't bothered me again.
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			<![CDATA[Strange though it may sound, one tried to follow me on twitter. I shooed it away and it hasn't bothered me again.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:08:50-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
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			<name>johnjones</name>
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			I can sort of see both sides of the situation.  The Nerds are concerned that since the pendulum of pop-culture has swung toward comics/superheroes/games etc that the Pretty People are going to crowd ...
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			<![CDATA[I can sort of see both sides of the situation.  The Nerds are concerned that since the pendulum of pop-culture has swung toward comics/superheroes/games etc that the Pretty People are going to crowd them out of their niche, while still refusing to have sex with them.  If you're a girl and you like that cute guy in the glasses with the fit body, nice cologne, cool car and designer clothes who sometimes reads Jim Butcher novels, that does not mean you like nerds.  If you are a girl who wears glasses and is otherwise a supermodel, you're also probably not a nerd.<br /><br />But that's okay, because being a nerd really isn't all that great.<br /><br />See, to me, the defining characteristic of nerd-dom isn't glasses or acne or computers or comic books.  It's obsession.  Further, it's obsession that deviates from the so-called norm of human society.  If a guy gives over every waking moment to making money and spending it on hot clothes, cars and girls, we don't call him a nerd.  We call him a success.  Sure, he's probably a mentally unbalanced spiritual wreck, but he's considered someone to admire, even emulate.<br /><br />Not so much the nerd.  The nerd's obsession is with things that society as a whole values relatively little.  A non-nerd might go see the Avengers or The Dark Knight Rises or The Amazing Spider Man and enjoy them.  Or not enjoy them.  Ultimately, though, their interest in these movie will be relatively shallow.  For a nerd, though, the experience is deeper.  This is a person who may have devoted time and money to the comics on which these movies are based, possibly more time and money than he can truly afford.  That gives a nerd a sense of investment in, even ownership of, those comics.  Obsession makes things feel keener and more personal.  And that creates unbalance, symptoms of which include an argumentative nature and poor hygiene.  <br /><br />Personally, I welcome the advent of "Fake" Nerd Girls to a degree.  They may well provide the "bait" to lure nerds out of the mancave and into a more balanced relationship with the world at large.  And perhaps even some of the hotter girls in that world.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:09:17-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
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			<name>dorkmuffin</name>
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			Has anybody else noticed a tendency to dismiss people who like to exercise as not being nerds? I remember encountering a lot of nerds who were very proud of the fact that they never exercised, and ...
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			<![CDATA[Has anybody else noticed a tendency to dismiss people who like to exercise as not being nerds? I remember encountering a lot of nerds who were very proud of the fact that they never exercised, and who treated people who did as freakish and weird. The same could be said for some grooming habits: if you're a girl and you like to put effort into your appearance, via exercise or makeup or fashion, you're "not a nerd" because you care one iota about your appearance.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:10:10-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>oldhat</name>
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			Don't see the point of a discussion about this, as I feel it's stupid as hell.
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			<![CDATA[Don't see the point of a discussion about this, as I feel it's stupid as hell.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:10:11-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
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			<name>oldhat</name>
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			Don't see the point of a discussion about this, as I feel it's stupid as hell.
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			<![CDATA[Don't see the point of a discussion about this, as I feel it's stupid as hell.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:10:12-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>oldhat</name>
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			Don't see the point of a discussion about this, as I feel it's stupid as hell.
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			<![CDATA[Don't see the point of a discussion about this, as I feel it's stupid as hell.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:11:46-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-16T16:15:33-08:00</updated>
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			<name>dorkmuffin</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6719</uri>
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			Don't delete @Oldhat's reposts. I kind of love that it happened five times and think that it's ... pretty valid. It's completely ridiculous that this is even a discussion.

Edited to add:

This ...
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			<![CDATA[Don't delete @Oldhat's reposts. I kind of love that it happened five times and think that it's ... pretty valid. It's completely ridiculous that this is even a discussion.<br /><br />Edited to add:<br /><br />This won't make me stop buying Tony Harris comics. But that's because I don't pay to read what he has to say, I pay because I like his art style, and he's often paired with really good writers.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:12:03-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
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			<name>dorkmuffin</name>
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			*Four times. NOOOOOOO. THEY'RE DISAPPEARING.
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			<![CDATA[*Four times. NOOOOOOO. THEY'RE DISAPPEARING.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:16:29-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-16T16:26:27-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Magnulus</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6716</uri>
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			So is this a specific Thing or just the general concept of girls wearing the badge of nerdery without being True Nerds, like punk girls who wear Sex Pistols t-shirts having never ventured further in ...
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			<![CDATA[So is this a specific Thing or just the general concept of girls wearing the badge of nerdery without being True Nerds, like punk girls who wear Sex Pistols t-shirts having never ventured further in punk-land than Blink 182?<br /><br />It's nothing new. Any subculture or counterculture that reached a certain level of awareness will attract fashionistas and people who don't really care. Geek Chic is a Thing now. Big Bang Theory is huge. Some girls might be trying to cash in on teenaged nerds being hungry for hot girls who they think has something in common with them. Some girls might just be trying to find out where they belong in a time of their lives where they - and everyone else - is obsessed with their looks.<br /><br />I think it's asshattery the way a lot of girls are being bullied just for trying to take part in a subculture they obviously find appealing for some reason. When I was 20, I'd aggressively defend my goth/ punk/ etc friends' right to be different, to make their own choices and be respected as people no matter what they look like. However, I'd instantly dismiss guys in pink shirts with trendy hair cuts and girls in Miss Sixty jeans, or people who listened to Britney Spears. How was I in any way a better person than those who dismissed and jeered at my friends?<br /><br />I'm not sure exactly where that example was going, but I will say this: Let's be a little less protective of "our turf" and a little more inclusive. I'm not saying give them any more attention than you would anyone else, but let's not discredit people just because they're conventionally attractive, wear a lot of make up and don't know the name of Jayne Cobb's gun.<br /><br />EDIT:<br />Wow, a lot happened while I was typing that up.<br /><br />JohnJones, you make a lot of good points. Nerds care about things most others don't give a shit about, and I imagine that's where a lot of that protectiveness comes from. We care! You don't care! Don't pretend you care when you don't! While I can see the point in that, it's dangerous to make assumptions about how much people care based on what they look like. I've been in a lot of situations where I wished I hadn't underestimated someone, and also in situations where I was glad I didn't.<br /><br />Dorkmuffin: Agreed on the exercise thing. The people who do try to tell me nerds don't exercise are quickly given a link to Fitocracy, however. It's a website built around the idea that exercise is PERFECT for gamers and nerds. You can be a fitness nerd just as much as you can be a Star Wars nerd in my opinion.<br /><br />And yes. I find the discussion to be a bit perplexing.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:36:38-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Argos</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7792</uri>
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			^^Yes, but the specific rant that started this argument was targeted at girls who wore sexy cosplays at Comic Cons without being *real* geeks.

Look, on the one hand, I get it.  It sucks when ...
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			<![CDATA[^^Yes, but the specific rant that started this argument was targeted at girls who wore sexy cosplays at Comic Cons without being *real* geeks.<br /><br />Look, on the one hand, I get it.  It sucks when you've spent your whole life as a geek and then suddenly someone else comes by and gets more attention than you do just because they're more attractive.  Part of the whole having to earn you cred thing.<br /><br />That being said, why are only females being targeted?  It's not like there aren't dudes who only watch the Marvel movies without having spent their childhood reading the comics.  And, as Dorkmuffin mention, why is it that the only way to prove your geek cred is by ignoring your grooming habits?  I know plenty of people who are fashionistas but are genuine geeks.<br /><br />And even if they aren't, so what?  Edgar had a friend who was really into sewing, and she took inspiration from comics to make cosplays to show off her sewing skills.  Cosplay is an art unto itself, why aren't girls allowed to take inspiration from comic characters for that?<br /><br />Like I said, I get how much it sucks when someone who somehow has less cred comes along and gets more attention than you, but on the other, instead of shaming them, why not try educating them and teaching them more about whatever character it is you're so passionate about?<br /><br />As a female who grew up playing video games and reading comics when I could afford to buy them, I really hate it when I have to spend more energy proving myself than a male counterpart does *just* because i'm female.  I mean really, when I was in high school, we were already in the 2000's and I <em >still</em> had to deal with people going "Omg, you're a girl and you play games???" Uh, yeah, yes I am and yes I do.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:39:59-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Wood</name>
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			Why do people care about &quot;attention&quot; or &quot;cred&quot; ? 

People over 14 years old, I mean ?
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			<![CDATA[Why do people care about "attention" or "cred" ? <br /><br />People over 14 years old, I mean ?]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T16:57:58-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>oldhat</name>
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			Sorry for the repeats. On a crappy phone that does that.

I don't recall getting a booklet filled with rules and regulations when I developed my interests, and I'm pretty sure such a thing doesn't ...
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			<![CDATA[Sorry for the repeats. On a crappy phone that does that.<br /><br />I don't recall getting a booklet filled with rules and regulations when I developed my interests, and I'm pretty sure such a thing doesn't exist. If you're putting hate on someone for entering a group with no requirements to enter because they don't have as much XP as you or aren't interested in a subject the same way you are, you are a fucking idiot. The presence of such a person, male OR female doesn't physically harm anyone so there's no reason this discussion should take fucking place.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T17:01:04-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-16T17:02:31-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William Joseph Dunn</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2798</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I don't understand how other people pretending to be into whatever you're into affect your own enjoyment.
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			<![CDATA[I don't understand how other people pretending to be into whatever you're into affect your own enjoyment.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T17:12:57-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Warped Savant</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			An attractive person that has a passing interest in something gets more attention than the 'nerd' that won't stop talking about it?
Really?


I don't think that being a nerd is what's actually ...
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			<![CDATA[An attractive person that has a passing interest in something gets more attention than the 'nerd' that won't stop talking about it?<br />Really?<br />&lt;/sarcasm&gt;<br /><br />I don't think that being a nerd is what's actually popular... or, at least, not a 'nerd' as people used the term 5+ years ago. Being a little awkward and not looking like a big muscle guy is what the word nerd seems to mean now-a-days. (For this post I'll use the older meaning of the word nerd). Someone going to a comic convention doesn't mean they're obsessed with comics, toys, &amp; Pokemon, someone dressing up as a character doesn't mean that comics &amp; cartoon shows are things they talk about ad nauseam. I find the people that are bitching about people pretending to be nerds are pissy mostly because there's guys that are dressing kind of similar to them and girls are falling for the good looking 'cool' nerd instead.<br />If anyone reading this is one of those guys pouting 'cause he can't get the girl, here's a tip for you: Express interest in other things as well and maybe tone down how often you talk about your obsessions.<br /><br />Am I a nerd? No. I wear glasses because my vision requires it, I read comics, I go to most of the conventions around town, hell, I worked in a Star Trek store for years back in the mid-90's. If you were to try to talk to me about most comics I wouldn't really know what you're talking about and lose interest pretty quickly, try to talk to me about Star Trek, Star Wars, Firefly, etc, etc, etc, and I'll know what you mean but I won't be much of a conversationalist about them, not because I don't know, but because I don't care. Does that mean that I'm pretending to be a nerd? No. It means that I have interests that a lot of nerds have but I can talk to people about other things (and typically prefer to.)<br /><br /><br />That all being said, I'm with the other people wondering why this is being talked about... I really can't see someone coming on here and complaining about 'fake' nerds... At least, I would hope we're all grown up enough to not get bent out of shape over something so ridiculous.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-16T17:34:54-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Birds_Use_Stars</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6144</uri>
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			One night I was hanging out with a girl. We were getting to know each other, and she mentioned that her boyfriend had made a Star Wars reference the previous day, and then immediately told her that ...
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			<![CDATA[One night I was hanging out with a girl. We were getting to know each other, and she mentioned that her boyfriend had made a Star Wars reference the previous day, and then immediately told her that she "probably wouldn't understand that, since it's a pretty obscure Star Wars thing." She pointed out to him that she was actually quite a big Star Wars nerd, and knew exactly what he was talking about. <br /><br />For some reason or another, my first instinct was to test her on that claim. I said "So you think you've got the Star Wars stuff down huh?" She could tell that I was about to star quizzing her, and tensed up noticeably. When I noticed that, all at once I realized what a douche bag thing that would be to do. That every nerdy dude she had ever met probably felt like he was some kind of "gatekeeper" who she was expected to prove herself to. Instead I just said "cool," and she was clearly relieved.<br /><br />After that I've come to understand that I really don't have the right to tell anyone if they are a "real" version of something or not, no matter how much I care about whatever that may be. I believe that people who are always going on about "fake" nerd girls, don't have issues with "nerd culture" or whatever. Instead they have issues with women, and are trying to single them out and exclude them.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345550#Comment_345550</id>
		<published>2012-12-16T17:54:06-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-16T19:36:27-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Greasemonkey</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4625</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			When I were a lad, SF and comic conventions were sad affairs held at the community centre, and the special guest was usually your local newsagent (or William Shatner if you were really unlucky). ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[When I were a lad, SF and comic conventions were sad affairs held at the community centre, and the special guest was usually your local newsagent (or William Shatner if you were really unlucky). Mainstream comics could be purchased at the newsagency, but if you wanted Zap or the Freak Brothers or Heavy Metal, you had to send away to a mail order company or get your older siblings to buy it for you at the head shop. There was no internet, this being the 1970's, so there was no Comics Community as it exists now. There was a circle of nerd friends who played D&D and read comics, or if your town really sucked you were on your own.<br /><br />Now we have million-dollar comicfests, there are multi-storey comic barns where we can buy every graphic novel ever published, there's a huge international community online where we can talk shit and post our art and writing and music, and someone's bitching because girls want to play too. Jesus.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345551#Comment_345551" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345551#Comment_345551</id>
		<published>2012-12-16T18:05:24-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>trini_naenae</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=183</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I find it a bit telling that it's Fake Nerd Girls and not Fake Nerds or Fake Nerd Boys.  And honestly, once you stick that gender signifier there, any complaining about fake vs not-fake is a load of ...
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			<![CDATA[I find it a bit telling that it's Fake Nerd <em >Girls</em> and not Fake Nerds or Fake Nerd <em >Boys</em>.  And honestly, once you stick that gender signifier there, any complaining about fake vs not-fake is a load of bull.  It's blatant sexism, and do I really need to say more?<br /><br />And all those people complaining about fake nerds... you know how annoying "hipsters" supposedly are?  You guys are worse.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345553#Comment_345553" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345553#Comment_345553</id>
		<published>2012-12-16T19:18:40-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Jamie Coville</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=616</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I go to conventions and take pictures, mostly of cosplayers. It used to be that booth babes (hired models) would hang around booths to draw people in. I don't see that so much anymore, but instead ...
		</summary>
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			<![CDATA[I go to conventions and take pictures, mostly of cosplayers. It used to be that booth babes (hired models) would hang around booths to draw people in. I don't see that so much anymore, but instead they are dressed up in costumes walking around the floor posing for pictures to promote whatever their being paid to promote. I see this more in San Diego then anywhere else. So it's a little annoying when you take a pic and she hands you her card after, hoping you'll play a part in the marketing campaign. I'm there to cover the convention and the people there, not to help advertise products. This isn't only a female thing, I occasionally see a guy dressed up as a character he's trying to sell for toys/comics/etc. too. <br /><br />But it's a minor annoyance at best and not something to get worked up about. A rude asshole pushing you because the line isn't moving to their speed is a much bigger annoyance.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345554#Comment_345554" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345554#Comment_345554</id>
		<published>2012-12-16T19:34:59-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Greasemonkey</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4625</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Jamie Coville - yeah, fake sponsored cosplayers are a fleabite. Nerd culture will develop new social conventions to deal with them, and move on.
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@Jamie Coville - yeah, fake sponsored cosplayers are a fleabite. Nerd culture will develop new social conventions to deal with them, and move on.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345559#Comment_345559</id>
		<published>2012-12-16T20:55:29-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Purple Wyrm</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6726</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I think at least some of the nerd-rage comes from a place of resentment. A real nerd grew up being harassed, tormented and judged for their nerdly interests, was beaten up after class and never got ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I think at least some of the nerd-rage comes from a place of resentment. A <em >real</em> nerd grew up being harassed, tormented and judged for their nerdly interests, was beaten up after class and never got to hang with the cool, popular kids. Then along comes a well adjusted, popular, "normal" person who goes to a few Marvel movies, puts on a pair of glasses and says "I'm such a nerd! lol!". They haven't earned their nerd stripes by being a hated, socially-maladjusted, self-pitying outcast. <em >YOU WEREN'T THERE MAN!! YOU WEREN'T THERE!!</em><br /><br />This is - of course - immeasurably stupid.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345560#Comment_345560" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345560#Comment_345560</id>
		<published>2012-12-16T21:52:47-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>InvincibleM</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3064</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			The debate is almost immediately invalid because it targets women for no valid reason. 

I'm sure there's an equal portion of men who carry nerd aspirations who could be deemed poseurs.

but ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[The debate is almost immediately invalid because it targets women for no valid reason. <br /><br />I'm sure there's an equal portion of men who carry nerd aspirations who could be deemed poseurs.<br /><br />but honestly, who gives a shit? Do as you please.<br /><br />Though I can appreciate someone who saw their interests as a part of their identity as an individual suddenly becoming a face in an increasingly anonymous crowd looking for a scapegoat for their interests being commercialized and exposed to generate as large a profit as possible.<br /><br />That being said, defining yourself by using your interests as a cornerstone is not exactly healthy psychological practice, in my opinion.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345561#Comment_345561" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345561#Comment_345561</id>
		<published>2012-12-16T22:24:27-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>HOT_RIGHTEOUS_DEATH</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5217</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Much as I like Tony Harris as an artist, his rant was as asinine and sexist as they come. What's even worse is the boorish behavior I've heard some convention-goers engage in with these women. What's ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Much as I like Tony Harris as an artist, his rant was as asinine and sexist as they come. What's even worse is the boorish behavior I've heard some convention-goers engage in with these women. What's really sad is that he keeps retweeting idiots who have come to his defense. Like someone else said earlier, I'll buy Tony Harris's stuff because I like him as an artist, but as a person, he disappoints me. <br /><br />Institutionalized sexism in comics is nothing new, it's just that they could get away with it before. Not so now. This speaks to the larger problems plaguing comics now. If comics wish to survive (hell, even thrive once again), they need to make them appealing to kids and girls, not just geeky males approaching middle age like me. I always get a little depressed when going to the comic store (the only one left in town I might add) because I see no one the same age I was when I started reading comics, the regulars are only my age and older. The culture is still too insular, despite the fact that comic book movies are big business, and comic conventions are mega-events. Perhaps this wave of nastiness is a natural backlash to those who remember comic conventions being small, relatively quiet affairs...but that doesn't justify such behavior nor does it validate any sort of moronic term like "fake geek girls."]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345562#Comment_345562" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345562#Comment_345562</id>
		<published>2012-12-16T23:52:04-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-16T23:56:46-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>ebullientsoul</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7705</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Before I begin, we're all in agreement that the statement was super fucking dumb and talking about news this old is bad pot-boiling, right?

That said, if we're really going to have this ...
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			<![CDATA[Before I begin, we're all in agreement that the statement was super fucking dumb and talking about news this old is bad pot-boiling, right?<br /><br />That said, if we're really going to have this conversation here, <br /><br />1.To <a href="http://www.badsandwichchronicles.net/2009/lets-go-all-the-way/" >quote</a> Brendan Kelly: [Calling someone a poser is] nothing more than insecurity masquerading as hazing and it’s completely ignoring the fact that these ‘veterans’ of the scene were themselves at one time newbies who wanted nothing more than the acceptance of the people already involved.<br />2. His rant assumes a cynical, lazy view of people and one which demeans their integrity before an exchange of ideas even begins.<br />3. The sexism is obvious, but he's a creator that goes the extra mile in avoiding titillating bullshit in his work.<br />3a. You can still buy anything you want by Tony Harris guilt-free. He's entitled to his opinion and not a single human being is required to agree with whatever he believes to enjoy his art. He's wrong on the internet.<br />3b. In his own mind, he was putting disingenuous people on blast. At the time he wrote it, he didn't see himself painting with too broad a brush.<br />3c. These girls/women require no external validation.<br />4. Plus the phrase fake nerd girl is complete horseshit because fake nerd girl likely means "not interested in the same shit I am so it doesn't count because it's not real and I define what counts and is real*," and if it doesn't mean that it means "enthusiastic female that wants to know more" and if it doesn't mean that it means "disingenuous human being using their attractiveness to curry attention" and since we already know that's bad, it's not useful to yell about it on the internet.<br />4a. Is there such a phrase as fake geek dude?<br /><br />So yes. I liked Ex Machina and I look forward to Whistling Skull.<br /><br />*Because Dr. Who counts less than the Metabarons or Gil Kane Green Lantern, I suppose?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345565#Comment_345565" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345565#Comment_345565</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T00:37:04-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>imaginarypeople</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7661</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			How is this any different than when people pretend to like a band or a sports team. Comics is seeing it now because of Hollywood's desire to remake everything insight. There will always be posers.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[How is this any different than when people pretend to like a band or a sports team. Comics is seeing it now because of Hollywood's desire to remake everything insight. There will always be posers.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345566#Comment_345566" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345566#Comment_345566</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T01:40:26-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-17T01:53:40-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>mister hex</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Just stumbled (quite literally! as I'm drunker than Richard Fucking Burton) on this discussion. I THINK it's valid to have, as Whitechapel has *always* welcomed females and indeed, I have close ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Just stumbled (quite literally! as I'm drunker than Richard Fucking Burton) on this discussion. I THINK it's valid to have, as Whitechapel has *always* welcomed females and indeed, I have close personal female friends from Whitechapel who are female (gasp!) and are nerdier than ME, if possible. (Spoiler - it's possible. Me am caveman and not know fancy talking machines or picture boxes. Them DO.) <br /><br />I do however know COMIC BOOKS. I am a Fifth-Level Black Belt Internet Batmanologist (accredited). I can also speak to Marvel or Dc History in general with some level of authority. <br /><br />Conan, Star Wars (Lucas & Spielberg, generally), undergrounds, old wrestling books, rarities and one-offs ... I have forgotten more about comics than any ten random people know. <br /><br />I am also a Comics Evangelist. <br /><br />I will put almost any comic book into almost any hand and say "YOU HAVE TO READ THIS. You'd like it. Hell, YOU'D LOVE IT." And you know what? Most of the time, they DO. <br /><br />I put MANY many hours into building my collection and expanding my Nerd Skill Set. Like Greasemonkey said, back in the day, being a NERD meant a LOT of hard work. And a great deal of isolation. Trawling through back issue bins, searching old bookshops, creating a network of people who knew where the gold was, these things WERE fandom, before there was the Internet. (#yestheinternethasnotalwaysexisted) <br /><br />(My sister? Has a original Star Wars novel signed by Han, Luke & Leia. It's worth a small house these days. In a crappy state (the house, the state the hous is in AND the Book but a small house nonetheless. The odds of all 3 ever signing something together ever again? SLIM, AT BEST. My sister also wrote letters TO HELP KEEP STAR TREK ON THE AIR, back in the day. My sister is my Nerd Hero.) <br /><br />I read some of the commentary on Tony Harris' facebook meltdown. I've half-followed this "story" or "trend" for a while now (too long, it seems) and will echo what all have said before - why is this a "thing"? If a pretty girl (or any girl or any boy, fer chrissakes) likes a thing, in what way and how exactly does that detract from YOUR enjoyment of that aforementioned thing? <br /><br />And man, when I was 12 (Heidi MacDonald - "The Golden Age Of Comics Is Twelve"), I WOULD HAVE CHEWED OFF MY OWN ARM to see hot girls dressed up like superheroes. Who CARES if they mixed up Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis Batgirl? JESUS, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU, MAN!?!<br /><br />This is where activism comes in, though. If you see something, someone shaming women for liking the Hobbit or whatever, mansplaining all the fun out of somebody getting excited about Robocop or what-the-fuck-ever, THEN SAY SOMETHING.  Go "Hey, that's not cool. People can interact with whatever franchise they want, at whatever level they desire. Back off, Fanboy." <br /><br />We ALL do that enough, the war will be over by Christmas. <br /><br />(My brother is also a Huge Nerd but like the Sith. A pedant. JAMES BOND USES THIS LIST OF PRODUCTS AND ACCEPTS NO SUBSTITUTES. I actually remember watching WWII movies with him when I was a kid and him going "Impossible. The Wehrmacht didn't use those epaulets in 1943." So yeah.)<br /><br />EDIT TO ADD - THIS ~ <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEkq7JCbik" ></a><br /><br />BOGEY EDIT  ~ I meant THIS ~ <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9YcVkqn4S4" ></a>]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345568#Comment_345568" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345568#Comment_345568</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T02:10:01-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Morac</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10266</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I've yet to actually meet someone who thinks fake nerds (female or otherwise) are a problem.
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			<![CDATA[I've yet to actually meet someone who thinks fake nerds (female or otherwise) are a problem.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345570#Comment_345570" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345570#Comment_345570</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T02:24:52-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Flabyo</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1306</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			The main thing about this that irritates me the most is that us nerds have spent *years* claiming that our culture is inclusive, that we want people to identify with us and validate us... and then ...
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			<![CDATA[The main thing about this that irritates me the most is that us nerds have spent *years* claiming that our culture is inclusive, that we want people to identify with us and validate us... and then the moment it starts to happen some feel the need to challenge them on it or they can't come in.<br /><br />Anyone who does anything to anyone that attempts to actively exclude others from the things they love? Fuck those people.<br /><br />(As an amusing anecdote, I'm sometimes sneered at by nerds I know because I also follow a sportball team. Yeah, I know. There's no rule that says if you like X you can't like Y.)]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345573#Comment_345573" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345573#Comment_345573</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T03:08:59-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Magnulus</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6716</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Flabyo: Exactly. Subcultures in general are supposed to be welcoming! They accept into them the people who are having difficulty fitting into the ranks of the &quot;Norms&quot;. I have a feeling this ...
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			<![CDATA[Flabyo: Exactly. Subcultures in general are supposed to be welcoming! They accept into them the people who are having difficulty fitting into the ranks of the "Norms". I have a feeling this is part of where this protectiveness comes from, since they see trendy/ cool/ hot geeks as not NEEDING the nerd label but just assuming it willy-nilly. However, the people who have difficulty fitting in among the "Norms" are EVERYONE. The struggle to fit in is a struggle for everyone. I gave up long ago, but it seems like everyone who DOES fit in has to make sacrifices to do so. So perhaps they look at "nerd culture" and other subcultures and think "That looks nice. They seem to have a good time together, without prejudice and pressure to fit in." but of course that's wrong. Sadly.<br /><br />I completely agree that Fake Nerd Girl is blatant sexism. Women are often given the third degree about their knowledge if they display an interest in typically nerdy subjects, but guys (unless they're hunky, buff bros) are given a free pass. Luckily, I haven't seen this part of nerd culture in my own offline friend, but it's pretty obvious from some of the shit that's been going on (The Anita Sarkeesian thing for example) that "nerd culture" is in dire need of a vigorous shake.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345578#Comment_345578" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345578#Comment_345578</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T03:57:47-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>vandalhandle</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4586</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			The more the merrier, is my view on it

I was the sole metalhead, comc reading geek in my class and in the five years I was in secondary( high ) school, i wasn't bullied over it, I've never had a ...
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			<![CDATA[The more the merrier, is my view on it<br /><br />I was the sole metalhead, comc reading geek in my class and in the five years I was in secondary( high ) school, i wasn't bullied over it, I've never had a problem with talking to or dealing with women, being raised by three sorted that out, I don't know the ins and outs of Marvel and DC continuity so not sure if i qualify as a nerd by the standards set by Mr. Harris.<br /><br />His rant seemed pointless and for me was just another name to add to the list of asshole creators I don't bother with. The so called fake nerds are attractive and the real nerds are ugly trolls, when did this happen I've always seen nerdy girls as beautiful, give me a nerd or a fake one over a fake tan, fake blonde, tracksuit/pajamas in public wearing girl anyday.<br /><br />Nerd culture should be welcoming and inviting, i've never quized a girl to see if her head is a warehouse fullk of geek trivia.<br /><br />Recently I've started to attend a meet up for comic geeks in a pub in dublin, and the male to female ratio is terrible, first two meetings one girl, most recent zero, the more diversity into nerd culture the better the more people the better that way it'll be forced to move out of the basement and we can just leave the "I don't like change" trolls down there to play with their other real basement dwelling nerds]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345579#Comment_345579</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T04:03:16-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>mister hex</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILTY&quot; is like, THE FIRST NERD COMMANDMENT. So I don't CARE if some girl dresses up like Power Girl but has NO IDEA ABOUT POWER GIRL'S INCONSISTENT ...
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			<![CDATA["WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILTY" is like, THE FIRST NERD COMMANDMENT. So I don't CARE if some girl dresses up like Power Girl but has NO IDEA ABOUT POWER GIRL'S INCONSISTENT CHARACTERIZATION SINCE PAUL LEVITZ WAS WRITING HER.  I really don't.  I'm just glad a girl dressed up like Power Girl. (And seriously? Earth Two Supergirl is called "Power Girl"? Boob Window? Whatever, man ....) <br /><br />Sexism in comics = WRONG.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345580#Comment_345580" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345580#Comment_345580</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T04:15:40-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>indysleaze</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2104</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I think Tony Harris's complaint was not that these girls are fake nerds, it was that they are dressing up a slutty characters entirely to have people say, &quot;wow, you're hot.&quot; They're not ...
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			<![CDATA[I think Tony Harris's complaint was not that these girls are fake nerds, it was that they are dressing up a slutty characters entirely to have people say, "wow, you're hot." They're not interested in the subculture at all, and not even pretending to be. There's no street cred to had on their part from pretending to be a nerd. They're simply doing it for male attention. Now whether his caricature is accurate, or proliferate enough for a generalisation, I don't know. But to tar him with sexism, or with attacking people who are into "our" culture, is inaccurate, lazy, and pretty much the mob rule.<br /><br />Incidentally, my own thoughts on cosplayers, as someone who has tables to sell my shitty comics at cons, is that they don't buy anything. Cheap bastards.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345581#Comment_345581</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T04:25:10-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kay Orchison</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10078</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			
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			<![CDATA[<img src="http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Dorkly-Female-Fantasy-Comic.jpg?cb5e28" alt="Relevant" >]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345582#Comment_345582</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T04:46:54-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Magnulus</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6716</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			If it's about sexy cosplay costumes, it's a much bigger debate that really doesn't have anything specifically to do with nerdery, it's about feminism, sexism and sexualisation in our culture. I guess ...
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			<![CDATA[If it's about sexy cosplay costumes, it's a much bigger debate that really doesn't have anything specifically to do with nerdery, it's about feminism, sexism and sexualisation in our culture. I guess one specifically nerdy problem with it is that there are so many over-sexualised female characters in games.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345583#Comment_345583</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T04:49:45-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>badbear</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1879</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Geez. You can't win. You say you like videogames and girls ostracize you for being weird. You say you like comic books and guys say you're a fake.

I mean, I know there are people out there wearing ...
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			<![CDATA[Geez. You can't win. You say you like videogames and girls ostracize you for being weird. You say you like comic books and guys say you're a fake.<br /><br />I mean, I know there are people out there wearing big glasses even though they have 20/20 vision and those people are dumb. But who cares? They're just teenagers aren't they? Young girls are stupid and try to attract attention from boys. Big news. Geez. As someone here has already mentioned, they used to wear Ramones shirts having never listened to punk - now they wear batman shirts having never read a comic. Big whup. They're just kids.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345584#Comment_345584</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T04:52:20-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>badbear</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1879</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			What if girl-geekery is a burgeoning sub-culture and it just takes a different form from boy-geekery? What then? Maybe it's more about dressing up and playing sodding angry-birds like all of that is ...
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			<![CDATA[What if girl-geekery is a burgeoning sub-culture and it just takes a different form from boy-geekery? What then? Maybe it's more about dressing up and playing sodding angry-birds like all of that is a legitimate way to spend your time. Who's to say they're wrong eh?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345586#Comment_345586</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T05:39:51-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Horrible Warning Si</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1223</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Let the record show: my finger is hovering over the DEPLOY URETHRAL MAGGOT button. Not because anyone's being mean or ignorant or stupid, but because &quot;the debate&quot; is so fucktardingly ...
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			<![CDATA[Let the record show: my finger is hovering over the DEPLOY URETHRAL MAGGOT button. Not because anyone's being mean or ignorant or stupid, but because "the debate" is so fucktardingly fucktarded that it's shitting up my board.<br /><br />For now: proceed with caution. Be insightful about this ridiculous fucking subject if you can, otherwise: silence is your friend.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345588#Comment_345588</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T08:01:43-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Oddcult</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Well, cockmaggots hold no fear for me, so I'm going to dive in with some opinions that are close to what some others have mentioned already, but with a few additional thoughts of my own.

First - ...
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			<![CDATA[Well, cockmaggots hold no fear for me, so I'm going to dive in with some opinions that are close to what some others have mentioned already, but with a few additional thoughts of my own.<br /><br />First - this isn't a non-existant problem. But I do think that the issue has been incorrectly identified.<br /><br />Next - Whilst I think Tony Harris was a total knob about this and got it badly wrong, I think that a lot of the reaction to what he was saying is also quite indicative of <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white+knight+syndrome" >White Knight Syndrome</a>. Many of the responses to it were as poor as the initial rant and that's the debate that I suspect the Urethral Attack Maggot Deployment Officer above may have issue with.<br /><br />To continue with my own thoughts on the topic and why it's a confused and incorrectly diagnosed issue from both sides, it's not really about castigating or criticising people who are new to hobbies or who are genuinely passionate about them, or even those who take elements of them and stick them on t-shirts. I've as little a problem with - well, anyone really, let's not just say 'girls' - wearing a Batman t-shirt without reading it as I have with Top Shop selling pink, glittery Motorhead and Iron Maiden t-shirts. Wearing them means little, except that the designs have become iconic. You're wearing a Che t-shirt, but know fuck all about South and Central American revolutions? Fuuuuuuck yooooou! Er.. no. It's cool.<br /><br />But...<br /><br />And here's the thing. Well, two things, which as I've said have been incorrectly diagnosed as the 'Fake Geek Girl' problem.<br /><br />Attention seeking. Yeah, you know what I mean. On the old WEF, it used to be known as 'nerd-baiting', and that's a place that had plenty of girls (women, females...) who were utterly integrated into the group dynamic. But you'd still get some people who would talk about their sex-lives or who they wanted to fuck, or who posted pictures of themselves, in fairly attention-seeking ways. There and elsewhere, sometimes it's funny, but it almost became a cliche that from time to time you'd get someone turning up with some kind of attention seeky topic about which female superhero or celebrity they'd like to have sex with. That wasn't about being a 'fake geek'. It was just about attention seeking, in a place where hobbies and things people enjoyed, which were talked about by both sexes, were discussed. But you'd get three types of responses. It would be ignored. It would be slated. Or it would get white knighted. It's pretty tiresome and people should be able to rise above it, but sadly they don't. I mean... sure, there's a time and a place, but it also feels like there's an assumption that acting in a certain way in spaces dedicated to fiction or comics or film will result in extra attention, and if it's criticised, then well, that's sexism. Which is rubbish.<br /><br />Now, my final point is a tricky one, where I am on dodgy ground, but it does relate to the 'sexy cosplay' thing and the way that some elements of marketing have co-opted comics and sf etc culture and are mixing it with traditionally sexist portrayals of women to make money. I have no problem with people dressing how they want to, but I also feel that there's an element of exploitation of cosplay galleries being put up on some websites, and the sexualisation of certain characters, then people dressing up as them.<br /><br />Okay, let me unpack that a bit. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Unicorn" >Team Unicorn </a> and that bloody 'Geek and Gamer Girl' video (which I'm not linking to) is *not* expressive third-wave feminism. The people involved get the benefit of the doubt as to whether they're 'genuine' or not, as I'm sure they love what they do and debates about whether they're fake or not are largely irrelevant, but they're pretty much fuck all different to the original Katy Perry video they're parodying, in terms of an intention to attract attention by titillation. Whether they're 'fake' or not is a debate that's the same as whether any music video is fake. It's clearly not a thing just done for fun, for the love of it. And that's okay, but it's still unrealistic. Fake geek girls? Whatever. Keeping a certain type of body image and artificial notion of availability at the centre of the male gaze? Absolutely.<br /><br />Models who see cosplay at conventions well-attended by media professionals, trying to get recognised and get work as a result? Same thing. I mean, good on them for doing it and thinking of something original and making cool outfits and putting up with a lot of the shit that they put up with as a result, but still a symptom of that commercialised male gaze bullshit.<br /><br />So, what I think I'm saying really is that there is resistance to 'girls' doing 'geeky' things, but there's also a high level of integration too and increasingly so, but there are also problematic issues with the way women are both portrayed by and to subcultures, which are worse because they're commercially driven and exploitative.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345589#Comment_345589</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T08:15:57-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>KeeperofManyNames</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3394</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			So, I write a lot about geeky things on my blog, and I love doing it because popular culture is a great vehicle for understanding theory concepts and ideas about aesthetics and blah blah blah. But ...
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			<![CDATA[So, I write a lot about geeky things on my blog, and I love doing it because popular culture is a great vehicle for understanding theory concepts and ideas about aesthetics and blah blah blah. But even more than geeky things, I really love art, especially late 19th and early 20th century art. But I don't really write about that so much because there aren't so many people interested in digging into the subject, at least in my experience.<br /><br />You know what I would love?<br /><br />Some fake art history girls. Or fake art history guys for that matter. Fake art history anyone, really. Because even a poser has the potential to turn into someone I can have a good conversation with. And yeah, it might be kind of disappointing if I can't engage them at first, but everyone's new to a subject at some point or other. Oh man, if Symbolism was popular enough to have an entire subculture complete with poser hangers on...!<br /><br />Although, in fairness, I'm not sure how you could do Sexy Symbolist Cosplay. Like, what would you do, dress as a floating eyeball in a bikini? Or sexy cubism? Try to hug the person and you'd get impaled on all the angles.<br /><br />But like, when someone describes something as Tim Burtonesque I COULD be a dick and denounce them for not knowing about German Expressionism, but it's actually more fun to say, "Well, hey, actually there's this thing called German Expressionism that came before Burton. You might be into it. Check out The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari or Metropolis! It's great, freaky stuff."<br /><br />I just don't understand why the reaction to a neophyte would be to cast them from your proverbial doorstep. It just seems like... well, bad business, really, and a bad way of making friends.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-17T08:23:11-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-17T08:32:08-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>badbear</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1879</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@keeperofmanynames 
All cubism is sexy.... Or is that just me?

(Sorry. Totally off topic.)
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			<![CDATA[@keeperofmanynames <br />All cubism is sexy.... Or is that just me?<br /><br />(Sorry. Totally off topic.)]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-17T09:13:37-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Wood</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5205</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			One of the person who has been the most vocal about the (non-)problem of fake geek girls (and the actual problem of misogyny within the nerd community) is Rachel Eddidin who is, among other things, ...
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			<![CDATA[One of the person who has been the most vocal about the (non-)problem of fake geek girls (and the actual problem of misogyny within the nerd community) is <a href="http://postcardsfromspace.tumblr.com/" >Rachel Eddidin</a> who is, among other things, an editor at Dark Horse. You might want to read :<br /><br /><a href="http://" >An Open Letter on the Idea of Geek Cred</a><br /><blockquote >Dear Fellow Geeks,<br /><br />No one is hurting you when they wear superhero t-shirts without memorizing every title the character has appeared in. They’re expressing enthusiasm—novice enthusiasm, but enthusiasm nonetheless—for something you care deeply about and have done your damnedest to evangelize. That they don’t have the same degree of geek cred does nothing to diminish yours.<br /><br />When you go after people for being less die-hard than you, you become the same people who marginalized you for being geeky. I understand how frustrating it is to see someone represent a culture in which you’re deeply invested and think, “I could have done that SO much better,” or “He or she does not fucking speak for me.” I understand this as a geek, and as a far-left liberal American, and oh, boy, do I understand it as a queer woman in geek culture.</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://postcardsfromspace.tumblr.com/post/11639223071/another-flavor-to-the-girls-who-actually-know-comic" >"I don’t fucking care about your approval."</a><br /><blockquote >You know what is goddamn EXHAUSTING? Caring about something, and working your ass off to get good at it, and then never getting to engage with other enthusiasts (or, often, professionals) because EVERY GODDAMN CONVERSATION has to start with you jumping through hoops to prove you’re the real deal, because unless you can juggle three cover variants while reciting the clone saga backwards in French, your tits disqualify you from any subjects more advanced than “Condescending Comments about Vertigo 101.”</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://postcardsfromspace.tumblr.com/post/29352510072/the-fake-geek-girl-issue" >The “Fake Geek Girl” “Issue”</a><br /><blockquote >When you choose to validate your own identity by denigrating and otherwise marginalizing others, <em >you are doing irreparable damage the community you’re claiming to defend</em>. I don’t care how hard your life has been, or how miserable middle school was for you or how many times you got called names for your comic-book collection. You are an asshole. Remember kindergarten? Throwing sand means losing sandbox privileges. You’re out of the club.</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://feminspire.com/idiot-nerd-girl-has-a-posse-taking-back-the-meme/" >Idiot Nerd Girl Has A Posse: Taking Back The Meme</a><br /><blockquote >There is no Idiot Nerd Boy meme.<br /><br />I hate the Idiot Nerd Girl meme. I hate it for much the same reason Feminspire writer Jessica Bagnall hates it: the entrenched geek misogyny that informs its pretty pink face. I hate it because it’s a convenient distillation of everything I hate about the “fake geek girl” strawman. I hate it because it vilifies enthusiasm. I hate it because, as a member of the geek community and a geek-industry professional, and especially as a feminist geek, I nurture a deep and abiding dislike for gatekeepers.</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://postcardsfromspace.tumblr.com/post/29993651871/i-really-hate-the-idiot-nerd-girl-meme-so-i" ><br />Who are you to say she's not ?</a><br /><img src="http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m96iavATnk1qgxab9o1_1280.png" alt="" ><br /><img src="http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m96iavATnk1qgxab9o8_1280.png" alt="" ><br /><img src="http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m96iavATnk1qgxab9o3_1280.png" alt="" ><br /><br /><a href="http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/11/15/geek-masculinity-and-the-myth-of-the-fake-geek-girl/" >Geek Masculinity and the Myth of the Fake Geek Girl</a><br /><blockquote >At the same time, though, geek culture is a haven for guys who can't or don't want to fall in step with the set of cultural trappings and priorities of traditional manhood in America. At least in theory, geek culture fosters a more cerebral and less violent model of masculinity, supported by a complementary range of alternative values. But the social cost of that alternative model--chosen or imposed--is high, and it's often extorted violently--socially or physically. The fringe is a scary place to live, and it leaves you raw and defensive, eager to create your own approximation of a center. Instead of rejecting the rigid duality of the culture they're nominally breaking from, geek communities intensify it, distilled through the defensive bitterness that comes with marginalization. And so masculinity is policed incredibly aggressively in geek communities, as much as in any locker room or frat house.</blockquote><br /><br />And really, I don't see what I could add.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345596#Comment_345596</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T10:26:30-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Oddcult</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@wood - and I totally agree with Rachel Eddidin. However, what I think she's missing and what I'm attempting to bring to this debate is that there is a push to treat geeky subcultures as a commodity ...
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			<![CDATA[@wood - and I totally agree with Rachel Eddidin. However, what I think she's missing and what I'm attempting to bring to this debate is that there is a push to treat geeky subcultures as a commodity demographic and exploit them, and sexist images of women being grafted onto caricatured versions of elements of these subcultures is one way that this is attempted.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-17T10:41:46-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Wood</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5205</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			You mean, you're worried that girls want to look like this ?



That hasn't got much to do with being a &quot;real&quot; or a &quot;fake&quot; geek, now, has it ?
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			<![CDATA[You mean, you're worried that girls want to look like this ?<br /><br /><img src="http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbvuddIibP1r34y4ho1_400.jpg" alt="" ><br /><br />That hasn't got much to do with being a "real" or a "fake" geek, now, has it ?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345599#Comment_345599</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T11:00:16-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>glukkake</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1693</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I keep wanting to say things and then just select all, hit the delete button and say &quot;nope.&quot;

It's too close to the holidays for fem-rage and dealing with this tired shit.
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			<![CDATA[I keep wanting to say things and then just select all, hit the delete button and say "nope."<br /><br />It's too close to the holidays for fem-rage and dealing with this tired shit.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345601#Comment_345601</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T11:35:45-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>KeeperofManyNames</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3394</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Badbear:

Actually, judging by that picture Wood just posted, maybe we aren't the only ones who think cubism is sexy. I mean... that's some pretty impressively distorted anatomy and form... ;) ...
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			<![CDATA[@Badbear:<br /><br />Actually, judging by that picture Wood just posted, maybe we aren't the only ones who think cubism is sexy. I mean... that's some pretty impressively distorted anatomy and form... ;) (Which raises the question... should <a href="http://eschergirls.tumblr.com/" >Escher Girls</a> be renamed Picasso Girls? Les Demoiselles D'Arkham? Baby Got Braque? Ok, I'll stop now.)<br /><br />@Oddcult:<br /><br />I've never seen "White Knight" used in a way other than to dismiss the outrage of someone not in an excluded group over the treatment of said excluded group. Regardless of its veracity or not, the term is used to separate victims from allies. Really, you're the first person I've seen use it as a sociological descriptor rather than a really vicious divide-and-conquer strategy by, usually, white straight male geeks who see anyone who calls them on their crap as a traitor posing as an ally to score karma points.<br /><br />Not necessarily disagreeing with what you're saying (although I'm also not quite sure I'm clear on your first point--maybe you could elaborate further?) but I just don't think White Knighting is a really good way of describing what you're describing, simply because of how it's used to shut down conversations on the Internet.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345603#Comment_345603</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T11:37:15-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Wood

&quot;That hasn't got much to do with being a &quot;real&quot; or a &quot;fake&quot; geek, now, has it ? &quot;

I think I have to agree, although I do think Oddcult brings up a good point ...
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			<![CDATA[@Wood<br /><br />"That hasn't got much to do with being a "real" or a "fake" geek, now, has it ? "<br /><br />I think I have to agree, although I do think Oddcult brings up a good point (for a potentially different conversation).]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345605#Comment_345605</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T12:50:17-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rachæl Tyrell</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Ok.

Fake geek girls. 

I would like to first start out by saying that when I visit the owners of my favorite comic book store, the ones that started me on my comic book path when I was 12, the ...
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			<![CDATA[Ok.<br /><br />Fake geek girls. <br /><br />I would like to first start out by saying that when I visit the owners of my favorite comic book store, the ones that started me on my comic book path when I was 12, the ones that told my family what to buy me for Christmas, there will invariably be some new young man working in the store filing backissues, and he will invariably come up to be and try to talk to me and tell me what to get, and the owners invariably tell him to leave me alone because I know what I'm doing. <br /><br />Also, I've been countered by people on many an occasion with "pfft, what do YOU know about Batman?" or trying to correct me on some kind of early Neil Gaiman lore, and I have often found myself having to start off on the conversational battlefield with the heaviest artillery of obscure knowledge, just to assure others I've got the "geek cred" they doubt I possess.<br /><br />HOWEVER.<br /><br />I think @Magnulus had a fair point in comparing fake-geek to fake-punk. I think of it as similar. I think that feeling hurt, betrayed, let down, disappointed, etc from the over-exposure of something that used to be a niche culture of is a totally legitimate reaction.<br /><br />(The sexism involved is not. Lets' just all agree that singling out women in the wave of "fake-geek" is indeed sexism and is ridiculous, yes? It's only a form of prejudicial profiling, because yes, predominantly the geek world has been ruled by men of poor hygiene, so women will stand out a bit more)<br /><br />Here's the thing. Comic books and science fiction have ALWAYS attracted a similar kind of archetype of human being. In the book Men of Tomorrow (great book), it describes how the early comic and sci-fi fans had a whole penpal communication system set up, and describes it so perfectly similar to the early days of the geeky internet, it's astounding. Geek culture has been a small haven for safe and comfortable social interaction for a great number of people. As for myself, being a very nerdy geeky kid, I found the indicators of fandom to be like a secret code of symbols and sigils to find people of my kind. <br /><br />When I was in highschool, I had an outfit I wore that was just like The Prisoner, and the fact that my Russian teacher got it made me ecstatic. One of my best friends to this day I met because in a highschool art class I looked at what he was drawing and asked him "Is that Grendel?" to which he responded "YOU KNOW GRENDEL?!" Now, I wasn't a huge fan, but I was a comic book person, and I was aware of my culture. The people I found who read comic books were also quite likely to talk shop about Star Wars, would hang out and watch some Star Trek TNG, would be somewhat bookish and awkward, and had a tendency towards obsessive information catalouging and collecting. These were my people. I wore my Star Trek pins proudly, and there was but one single girl in my highschool who appreciated it. We were unpopular, dressed terribly, and dove into the fiction of the future together. One of the few relatives I can actually have a conversation with I'd met when he showed up to a family reunion at age 12 with a copy of Wizard. None of my macho uncles could deal with his nerdy fanboy tone, but he was my people, and we've been comrades ever since. <br /><br />Now, it's different. Now, people own lightsabers and have no idea who Wedge Antilles is.<br /><br />Similarly, now, people have mohawks and wear CBGB tshirts, and have never listened to a punk album. <br /><br />Trying to find people of your own ilk is becoming more and more difficult, because the uniforms people wear and the titles people self-proclaim don't necessarily match the level of obsession/dedication/insanity that it previously did.<br /><br />And yes, it is terribly easy to go down the path that @PurpleWyrm described ("YOU WEREN'T THERE MAN!! YOU WEREN'T THERE!!"), and yes, that is incredibly stupid. (I compare that argument to a gay person being upset that people don't get beaten in the streets and just get to walk around being married these days) But that loud and somewhat elitist reaction obfuscates the legitimate and understandable loss of having a culture to which someone felt that they belonged, and has now become far more diluted. <br /><br />Here are some words from Neil Gaiman's tumblr:<br /><br /><a href="http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/24201819091/how-would-you-want-people-to-remember-you-100-years" >This question and answer</a> reads as follows:<br /><br /><blockquote >Q: How would you want people to remember you 100 years later?<br /><br />A: It’s odd. I do not want people to remember me. BUT I want people to keep reading and discovering my books and comics and poems and so on. Honestly, I kind of like the idea of being semi-forgotten, so that each person who stumbles across something I’ve written, and likes it, can think of me as their own private discovery — this obscure 20th/21st century author, who no-one else in their school, pod, zone or L5 colony has ever heard of. But they have. And then if they meet someone else who has, they will know they have found a kindred soul.<br /><br />That’s what I’d like.</blockquote><br /><br />And that's something I miss. I was in junior high wearing my Sandman T-shirt, getting crap for all the kids for thinking that I was into Metallica, but when I found that one other person in my school that knew what Sandman was, I'd found a kindred soul. I found one of my best friends that way. Now, Neil Gaiman is one of the most popular writers on earth. The meaning is different.<br /><br />For so many introverted people, geek culture was not only a way to find each other, but a safe place for the socially trodden upon to continually congregate. Now that safe place and source of community is being diluted and shared with the masses, many of whom are rather unkind to the stereotypical geek. <strong >Look, people who just like CGI action flicks are NOT the same thing as people who read monthly Marvel titles.</strong> These groups are suddenly expected to share the same cultural space, and are going to feel ousted from the domain they've been supporting for decades.<br /><br />There is a gentrification of geek culture, and I think it's understandable and justifiable for nerds and geeks to feel frustrated at the newcomers who wear nerdom as a personal identity having only skimmed the very surface. For many geeks, that identity and community has become an important part of their social survival. (similar to that of punk)<br /><br />Does this justify singling out women as being more "fake-geek" than men? No, not at all. <br /><br />But I think some frustration is justified, and isn't uniformly a signifier of sexism or elitism.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345611#Comment_345611" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345611#Comment_345611</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T13:54:48-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Wood</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5205</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Rachael

For so many introverted people, geek culture was not only a way to find each other, but a safe place for the socially trodden upon to continually congregate. Now that safe place and ...
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			<![CDATA[@Rachael<br /><br /><blockquote >For so many introverted people, geek culture was not only a way to find each other, but a safe place for the socially trodden upon to continually congregate. Now that safe place and source of community is being diluted and shared with the masses, many of whom are rather unkind to the stereotypical geek. Look, people who just like CGI action flicks are NOT the same thing as people who read monthly Marvel titles. These groups are suddenly expected to share the same cultural space, and are going to feel ousted from the domain they've been supporting for decades.</blockquote><br /><br />OK, so I don't live in the USA, so maybe I'm lacking context, but could you give me some practical examples of how this phenomenon is affecting your personnaly ? Or anybody else ? Who is being ousted from where ?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-17T14:37:27-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Wood

I think it's people's own baggage getting in the way, i.e., they feel anxiety or what have you around a certain other kind of person (&quot;the pretty people&quot;) and so they form their ...
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			<![CDATA[@Wood<br /><br />I think it's people's own baggage getting in the way, i.e., they feel anxiety or what have you around a certain other kind of person ("the pretty people") and so they form their own groups under the title nerd but then the pretty people start identifying that way and then you have pretty people showing up at nerd places and suddenly those places are no longer anxiety-free.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345614#Comment_345614" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345614#Comment_345614</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T14:47:35-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kay Orchison</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10078</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Well, think of it this way: it's a little like white boys calling each other &quot;nigger&quot;. Appropriation by the privileged disallows full reclamation and ownership of a term of abuse by the ...
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			<![CDATA[Well, think of it this way: it's a little like white boys calling each other "nigger". Appropriation by the privileged disallows full reclamation and ownership of a term of abuse by the people who were subject to it. Nothing's actually been stolen - the people now using that word are the same sort of people who originally deployed it as a term of abuse - but for many of the victims it sabotages the healing process.<br /><br />That said, the sexism is idiotic and the surest way back to a reviled social status is to insist on exclusivity. It's not surprising though: abuse a person badly enough for long enough and then give them some power, see what happens. Israeli foreign policy, for instance.<br /><br />If you doubt that the persecution of the obsessed and bookish is serious enough to warrant such ill-feeling, I refer you to Asimov: “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-17T14:48:50-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Wood</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5205</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			So what's the answer ? Ban pretty people from conventions ? How is that not elitist ?

Also I notice we're totally not speaking about &quot;fake geek girls&quot; anymore.

Also would you walk up ...
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			<![CDATA[So what's the answer ? Ban pretty people from conventions ? How is that not elitist ?<br /><br />Also I notice we're totally not speaking about "fake geek girls" anymore.<br /><br />Also would you walk up to your favorite author and tell him "I wish you sold less books because all these new readers of yours are not real geeks and they don't deserve you" ?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-17T14:50:28-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William Joseph Dunn</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2798</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@ Wood - &quot;OK, so I don't live in the USA, so maybe I'm lacking context, but could you give me some practical examples of how this phenomenon is affecting your personnaly ? Or anybody else ? Who ...
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			<![CDATA[@ Wood - <em >"OK, so I don't live in the USA, so maybe I'm lacking context, but could you give me some practical examples of how this phenomenon is affecting your personnaly ? Or anybody else ? <strong >Who is being ousted from where ?</strong>"</em><br /><br />I think that is my problem with the fake nerd/fake punk comparison. The difference to me is when I was a teenager, punk shows were a place where you didn't have to see the jock/frat assholes from school at a show. Then a few years later they started going to the shows and ruined everything. Comics aren't a place. Yes, conventions are, but enjoyment of comics or video games or whatever do not require you to go to one. I haven't been to comic convention since the 90's. I still enjoy my "nerd stuff" with no interference.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345617#Comment_345617" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345617#Comment_345617</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:05:21-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rachæl Tyrell</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@William Joseph Dunn -

I disagree. Punk is a scene as much as geek is a scene. You can listen to music at home just as you can read comics at home. The issue here is community. 

@Wood - ...
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			<![CDATA[@William Joseph Dunn -<br /><br />I disagree. Punk is a scene as much as geek is a scene. You can listen to music at home just as you can read comics at home. The issue here is community. <br /><br />@Wood - <br /><br />Sorry, that should read: <em >"These groups are suddenly expected to share the same cultural space, and <strong >geeks</strong> are going to feel ousted from the domain they've been supporting for decades."</em> and by where, I mean the social niche. <br /><br />Personally, I can list things like Doctor Who or Star Trek as areas of geekery that used to lead me to people of like minded outlooks and quirk, but no longer do. <br /><br />In the US, growing up in the 80's, going to high school in the early 90's, my love of classic Doctor Who was singular. To be a Doctor Who fan you had to be able to enjoy black and white television, british sensibilities, cheap sets, low budget effects, and decades long continuity. You'd probably dig the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, probably read Douglas Adams books. You were a geek of serious standards. You were willing to be a fan of something that nobody else liked or cared about, and you thought it was AWESOME. That's a certain personality type. That fits certain niche. <br /><br />Doctor Who has become a hip new media phenomenon. Young women are going "squeee!" over the Doctor as someone to crush on. They likely do not have knowledge of Roger Delgado as the Master, sure, but that's not the point. Moreso, the relationship is with something completely different. Someone who likes modern Doctor Who is probably a fan of Firefly and Buffy. I, as a classic fan of Doctor Who, gravitate towards the audio plays, Blake's 7, etc. To find someone who likes Doctor Who is an easy task these days, and means very little similarly to what it did when I was young. <br /><br />I don't begrudge people for enjoying this new show, but it's hip now, and different. That awkward dork that I was in my youth would not have found comfort and camaraderie in it's fan base.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345618#Comment_345618" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345618#Comment_345618</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:16:46-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-17T15:17:04-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William Joseph Dunn</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2798</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@ Rachæl Tyrell - hmm, I guess I never thought of it as &quot;a scene&quot; because I'm pretty much a hermit now anyway and just enjoy my stuff as just &quot;my stuff&quot;.  :D
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			<![CDATA[@ Rachæl Tyrell - hmm, I guess I never thought of it as "a scene" because I'm pretty much a hermit now anyway and just enjoy my stuff as just "my stuff".  :D]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345619#Comment_345619" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345619#Comment_345619</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:26:31-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rachæl Tyrell</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Sorry for the long ranting, all. This is something I've put a lot of thought into this over the past few months, and have had countless conversations about with the fellow. He's one of the punkest ...
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			<![CDATA[Sorry for the long ranting, all. This is something I've put a lot of thought into this over the past few months, and have had countless conversations about with the fellow. He's one of the punkest people I know, having lived in the squat that<a href="http://www.beerandbrewer.com/BlogRetrieve.aspx?BlogID=3454&PostID=97957" > this beer took it's inspiration from</a>, and also one of the geekiest, having worked at both Forbidden Planet and Orbital. I, for the record, am not a punk, and know nothing about the punk scene other than what I've learned from those few I've known. However, the correlation between the two scenes comes up ridiculously often.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345620#Comment_345620" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345620#Comment_345620</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:27:52-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Rachael 

Doctor Who has become a hip new media phenomenon. Young women are going &quot;squeee!&quot; over the Doctor as someone to crush on. They likely do not have knowledge of Roger Delgado as ...
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			<![CDATA[@Rachael <br /><br /><blockquote >Doctor Who has become a hip new media phenomenon. Young women are going "squeee!" over the Doctor as someone to crush on. They likely do not have knowledge of Roger Delgado as the Master, sure, but that's not the point. Moreso, the relationship is with something completely different. Someone who likes modern Doctor Who is probably a fan of Firefly and Buffy. I, as a classic fan of Doctor Who, gravitate towards the audio plays, Blake's 7, etc. To find someone who likes Doctor Who is an easy task these days, and means very little similarly to what it did when I was young. </blockquote><br /><br />That may be all true, but that does not make the people who are new fans of the show any less "Whovians" than individuals like you. They may enjoy it in a different fashion, or for different reasons, but their newness doesn't make them any less a Who-geek and I think that's my problem with the "fake X nerd" idea; it's a group of people, inherently, saying that if someone else doesn't fit a particular mold or meet certain criteria <i >that don't exist</i> then their interest is less valid.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345621#Comment_345621" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345621#Comment_345621</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:29:50-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Steve Toase</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10253</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Slightly OT, but I think that there is a national context for this. In my experience growing up in the UK Doctor Who, Douglas Adams, Pratchett are not seen as niche geek/nerd interests but part of ...
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			<![CDATA[Slightly OT, but I think that there is a national context for this. In my experience growing up in the UK Doctor Who, Douglas Adams, Pratchett are not seen as niche geek/nerd interests but part of the wider cultural landscape. We all grew up with it as part of our childhood as much as Blue Peter or John Craven's Newsround.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345622#Comment_345622" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345622#Comment_345622</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:36:11-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-17T15:40:07-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rachæl Tyrell</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@RenThing - I'm not defending either the &quot;fake&quot; nor the &quot;girl&quot; part of &quot;fake nerd girl&quot;. I'm defending the idea that many geeks feel they are being ousted from where ...
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			<![CDATA[@RenThing - I'm not defending either the "fake" nor the "girl" part of "fake nerd girl". I'm defending the idea that many geeks feel they are being ousted from where they felt they belonged. The more socially awkward had previously found a haven in certain arenas of geekery, and many of those geeky places are now filled with more mainstream people who are not as accepting. <br /><br />Also, your comment is why, exactly after what you'd quoted me as writing, I stated:<br /><blockquote ><br />I don't begrudge people for enjoying this new show, but it's hip now, and different. That awkward dork that I was in my youth would not have found comfort and camaraderie in it's fan base.</blockquote>]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345623#Comment_345623" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345623#Comment_345623</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:39:36-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rachæl Tyrell</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Steve Toase - From what I understand, geek culture is far more cool and hip in the UK in general than it ever has been in the US. I don't think that's off topic at all. Perhaps that is a difference ...
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			<![CDATA[@Steve Toase - From what I understand, geek culture is far more cool and hip in the UK in general than it ever has been in the US. I don't think that's off topic at all. Perhaps that is a difference that should be considered more when discussing such things.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345625#Comment_345625" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345625#Comment_345625</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:41:59-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>sneak046</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4574</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I'm with glukkake.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I'm with glukkake.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345626#Comment_345626" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345626#Comment_345626</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:47:56-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Wood</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5205</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@ Rachael 

So there are all these new people who enjoy Dr Who now. You have two possibilities : be welcoming and inclusive and try to get them to discover the old, weird, rare stuff that you like, ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@ Rachael <br /><br />So there are all these new people who enjoy Dr Who now. You have two possibilities : be welcoming and inclusive and try to get them to discover the old, weird, rare stuff that you like, or can you pinch your nose in disdain and say "you don't belong to My People, you are not sophisticated enough, you have no business here."<br /><br />Oh and also the 3rd possibility is just to wave your cane at them and scream "GET OFF MY LAWN!".<br /><br />But you know, I'm pretty confident that the today's nerdy kids will find new obscure, weird sophisticated things to love and to share with like-minded people. It'll probably be some un-subbed original anime thing, though.<br /><br />That's... that's what young people like, these days, isn't it ? Anime ?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345628#Comment_345628" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345628#Comment_345628</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:54:09-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Steve Toase</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10253</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I don't know about cool and hip. I would say more embedded, and there is a lot of affection for these things.
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I don't know about cool and hip. I would say more embedded, and there is a lot of affection for these things.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345629#Comment_345629" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345629#Comment_345629</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:55:24-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rachæl Tyrell</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=552</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I'm not against new fans. 

I am simply explaining the understandable frustration of old fans feeling disenfranchised. I am explaining that the social landscape is changed, and why that might be ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I'm not against new fans. <br /><br />I am simply explaining the understandable frustration of old fans feeling disenfranchised. I am explaining that the social landscape is changed, and why that might be disappointing to some people, in ways that aren't elitist or sexist. <br /><br />I give up.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345630#Comment_345630" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345630#Comment_345630</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T15:58:08-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-17T16:22:53-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Greasemonkey</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4625</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I agree that this is a stupid, stupid discussion to have to be having. It's fucking ridiculous. 

On the other hand, I'm glad we're hearing people call bullshit, and doing it in a measured fashion. ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I agree that this is a stupid, stupid discussion to have to be having. It's fucking ridiculous. <br /><br />On the other hand, I'm glad we're hearing people call bullshit, and doing it in a measured fashion. I consider that a win for the reasonable majority.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345631#Comment_345631" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345631#Comment_345631</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T16:04:17-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Wood</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5205</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Rachael

You know, that's just the frustration of getting old. Everybody's social landscape changes sooner or later and you find yourself in a world you don't really understand or approve ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@Rachael<br /><br />You know, that's just the frustration of getting old. Everybody's social landscape changes sooner or later and you find yourself in a world you don't really understand or approve anymore.<br /><br />I'm sorry, but to me you do sound a little elitist.<br /><br />Maybe that's just me, though.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345633#Comment_345633" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345633#Comment_345633</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T16:51:44-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-17T16:52:00-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William Joseph Dunn</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2798</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@ Greasemonkey - &quot;I agree that this is a stupid, stupid discussion to have to be having. It's fucking ridiculous.&quot;


 but...you started the discussion? You're the type of guy who likes ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@ Greasemonkey - <em >"I agree that this is a stupid, stupid discussion to have to be having. It's fucking ridiculous."</em><br /><br /><br /> but...you started the discussion? You're the type of guy who likes to let the pyro hold the lighter aren't you? I'M ON TO YOU!!! :D]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345638#Comment_345638" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345638#Comment_345638</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T17:54:53-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Mr. Flibble</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=10910</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Long time visitor, first time commenter. 

I've never been one to join in on message boards, (too many cooks and all that) but (depending on the site) usually find them an enjoyable ...
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			<![CDATA[Long time visitor, first time commenter. <br /><br />I've never been one to join in on message boards, (too many cooks and all that) but (depending on the site) usually find them an enjoyable read.<br /><br />WhiteChapel has always been a favorite because of it's users. Interesting, positive, creative, and supportive.<br /><br />I've seen this debate on a multitude of sites. Read multiple opinions. Depending on what feelings a posted RESPONSE invokes in its reader, the debate takes form.<br /> <br />Is it a QUESTION of sexism? Elitism? Resent? <br /><br />Rachael Tyrells original post on this, for me, hit on all levels. <br /><br />She addresses the issues of sexism and resentment. But most importantly, the reason of WHY it matters to her. <br /><br />I too can remember the feeling of excitement when I would meet new people with a passion for my obscure interests. And the instant bond that would form.<br /><br />So yes, I can relate to the feelings of...annoyance?...that come with what was once a small subculture becoming more of an interest to the popular cultures look and lexicon.<br /><br />But this was bound to happen. <br /><br />Re-read Come In Alone. In some ways, it was the mission.<br /><br />Just take heart that some will stay because of a real passion they find. And that is a great thing.<br /><br />Those who just use it as a self-interseted means to gain some form of social depth will fade away. <br /><br />Until then, avoid cons. Discover new things. And hang out at a comic shop.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345642#Comment_345642" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345642#Comment_345642</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T18:41:37-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Oddcult</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Wood - &quot;You mean, you're worried that girls want to look like this ?

That hasn't got much to do with being a &quot;real&quot; or a &quot;fake&quot; geek, now, has it ?&quot;

Not quite. ...
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			<![CDATA[@Wood - "You mean, you're worried that girls want to look like this ?<br />&lt;<improbable >><br />That hasn't got much to do with being a "real" or a "fake" geek, now, has it ?"<br /><br />Not quite. What I'm worried about is that there's an expectation that that's what 'real geeks' want and that some girls are not necessarily wanting to be like that, but being pressured into trying to look like that. I mean, sure, everyone knows 'booth bunnies' are pretty artificial as a whole concept, and that's not really what I'm talking about, but that the 'fakes' are being created as a way to market to the subcultures in other ways too.<br /><br />Despite - or perhaps because of - working in the PR/marketing sector, I resent any kind of artificiality imposed by anyone trying to sell something.<br /><br />Someone brought up the question of whether there are 'fake geek guys' or not. Never seen 'Big Bang Theory'? That's doing exactly the same thing with blokes that some quarters have accused girls of doing.</improbable>]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345643#Comment_345643" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345643#Comment_345643</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T18:53:54-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Oddcult</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@KeeperofManyNames - re: 'White Knighting'.

I am old and full of bigotry and prejudice and bile and bitterness, yet am hopefully have enough hate to go round that it seems like I'm not actually ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@KeeperofManyNames - re: 'White Knighting'.<br /><br />I am old and full of bigotry and prejudice and bile and bitterness, yet am hopefully have enough hate to go round that it seems like I'm not actually all that discriminatory, but let me try to say what I mean by this. I see it as giving more attention and aid to females than a person would to a male in a similar situation. Like... some guy says they're having a rough time and maybe they just get a few vaguely supportive comments, but if a girl does, then she's given disproportionately more support. Sometimes to a level that may even be unwanted and uncomfortable for her. <br /><br />I don't see this as something that females try to invoke, but it's often arises when a difficult situation or other people being dickish is seen as an opportunity to try to gain influence or some kind of perceived or expected karma. This is different to being genuinely helpful and not expecting anything as a result and being supportive to someone just because you associate with them.<br /><br />I have a sneaking suspicion that perhaps because I used to do this when younger, I now overcompensate by being obnoxious. However, because I also have liberal guilt syndrome, I counterbalance that aspect by being obnoxious to everyone equally. So it's a lose-lose situation that I'm somehow weirdly fine with.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345644#Comment_345644" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345644#Comment_345644</id>
		<published>2012-12-17T19:40:45-08:00</published>
		<updated>2012-12-17T19:42:07-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Greasemonkey</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4625</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;but...you started the discussion? You're the type of guy who likes to let the pyro hold the lighter aren't you? I'M ON TO YOU!!! :D&quot;

I'm the bomb disposal guy, dropping the live grenade ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<em >"but...you started the discussion? You're the type of guy who likes to let the pyro hold the lighter aren't you? I'M ON TO YOU!!! :D"</em><br /><br />I'm the bomb disposal guy, dropping the live grenade into an armoured steel container with a very heavy lid.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345653#Comment_345653" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345653#Comment_345653</id>
		<published>2012-12-18T01:20:24-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Wood</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5205</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@ Oddcult :
What I'm worried about is that there's an expectation that that's what 'real geeks' want and that some girls are not necessarily wanting to be like that, but being pressured into trying ...
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			<![CDATA[@ Oddcult :<br /><blockquote >What I'm worried about is that there's an expectation that that's what 'real geeks' want and that some girls are not necessarily wanting to be like that, but being pressured into trying to look like that.</blockquote><br /><br />Does that actually happen ? Like I said, I'm far enough from that scene that I don't know exactly how it works, but do you have actual knowledge of girls cosplaying not the characters they like, but the character they feel men expect them to dress as ?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345659#Comment_345659" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10932&amp;Focus=345659#Comment_345659</id>
		<published>2012-12-18T02:29:37-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Oddcult</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Wood - okay, the answer to that is slightly more complicated than yes/no, and I'm sure that there are more informed voices around who could also comment, but there does seem to be some impetus for ...
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			<![CDATA[@Wood - okay, the answer to that is slightly more complicated than yes/no, and I'm sure that there are more informed voices around who could also comment, but there does seem to be some impetus for people who want a career as a model or actress etc to dress as very sexualised versions of popular characters, in order to make the galleries that you see online on various pop culture sites.<br /><br />Of course, a lot of these sites also feature well made costumes and interesting and original creations that are notable, but I'm thinking of places like Gawker sites, or even things like the sidebars of shame on various newspaper's online presences.<br /><br />So, I suppose it's a pressure for representations of characters that are getting popular to be as sexualised as possible, not just from 'geeks' themselves, but also from the mainstream.]]>
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		<title>Fake Nerd Girls, oh my!</title>
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		<published>2012-12-18T02:55:32-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T14:48:17-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Horrible Warning Si</name>
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			Bored now.

I hesitated because I don't want to discourage debate on important subjects. But this is a circular spiral of nonthings. I shan't gridbomb it from orbit, nor even sink it, because I'd ...
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			<![CDATA[Bored now.<br /><br />I hesitated because I don't want to discourage debate on important subjects. But this is a circular spiral of nonthings. I shan't gridbomb it from orbit, nor even sink it, because I'd like newcomers to read it through and digest it - there's some relevant stuff in here. But it's run its course.]]>
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