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    t's Thursday, it's mid-afternoon in London, it's another wrongheaded morning in Mericky, it's who-the-fuck-knows-when in Australia, and it's time for more Crossed Hideosity.

    Episode 36, live and free-to-air.

    Remember: Not safe for work, not safe for minors, not safe for people of a nervous disposition, not safe for Cuervo Cold, not safe for shire horses, not safe for A! D! T!

    ELLOELLOELLO
    • CommentAuthorblighty
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2013
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    You know, it's funny: In the discussion of what happened to Seline, someone had made a crack about her being at the bottom of a giant pile of rape or something like that. Which was taken in the thread as being in rather poor taste and possibly reflective of a nasty streak of misogyny and so forth. And it probably was. But it also came true, lol. When dealing with the Internets discussing Crossed, always pick the worst of all possibilities.
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    Wow. That was more or less exactly what I was expecting, and it was still tough to read. Not to mention more than a bit unnerving. Poor Seline.

    I'd like to have believed that the soldiers wouldn't be so short-sighted - their actions pretty much eliminated Cava as a potential partner in trade, and in the world of the Crossed, I would think you'd want all the allies (and possible resources) you could get. But apparently they were past the point of being rational ... and paid a price for it.
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    It should be the tag line: CROSSED -- it's worse than you can imagine.
    • CommentAuthorDethklok
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2013
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    Not condoning rape AT ALL, but none of the fine young bucks chasing Seline could pull weapons to shoot her before she set off the grenade?

    That's the Crossed world, though. If the plusfaces don't do you, you do yourself. It seems like the concept of a square deal was beyond England's finest.

    And as always, the Crossed children freak me out the most. The Crossed kid scene reminded me of the scene in 28 Days Later when Jim was attacked by the infected child in the diner out in the country. Was that your inspiration, Si?
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    > but none of the fine young bucks chasing Seline could pull weapons to shoot her before she set off the grenade?

    They were probably hoping not to kill her, so they could keep having their way with her. And they probably didn't believe she'd really do it.
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      CommentAuthorddavie
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2013 edited
     (10977.7)
    That was hellacious! (Not the rape, his divination of occurrences.) I liked Shay's simple reply, "busy" to anyone who spoke to him whilst he strode through the fort putting together all the pieces of the puzzle. No one else seemed clued in on what he was doing...just wandering around. But everyone else damn sure seemed to have the same question for him, be it his group or the other.

    For all his bitching and moaning about poor, useless Seline he comes right out and says those remaining from the other crew don't measure up well enough to fill HER shoes - a damn bold statement. Yet he still has to pick a couple to tote back. Having said that...I'm wondering is 3 REALLY all that much more than 2? Unless the instructions were "no more than 2 or you have to be Jackson's sheep" I'd think a 3rd in the boat wouldn't be a deal breaker. And if it is, let Rab and Pudgy Jon choose the keeper.

    Great as always, Si - thanks once again!
    • CommentAuthorfenrir07
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2013
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    Watch out Viceroy!!!!! :D
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    I'm pretty sure a single hand grenade wouldn't be enough to blow open the gate like that.
    • CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2013 edited
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    The second most disappointing thing about this episode was my prior speculation being completely on the mark. This is NOT to say I'm disappointed in the story, not at all. Si still managed to find a way to present the narrative, unpleasant or no, in a way that was thoroughly engaging and entertaining - and continues to develop Shaky in a way that is meaningful and believable.


    I'll leave the rest to all of you.
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    ;_;7 Rip Selene went out like a boss. Has there been any female character that has not been raped in a Crossed comic? Like......maybe 2 at the most. Sigh, maybe mix it up next time?
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    I kinda feel that the rape was pretty cliche, couldn't there have been a trading relationship between The Fort and Cava. In no post apocalypse situation do survivors ever work together.
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    I agree that a single hand grenade would not have been sufficient to blow the gate, but maybe the gate was rigged to blow outwardly and take as many plussies with it in the explosion as it could. Remember, we the readers are seeing Seline's end in Shaky's imagination. He could be wrong. Speaking of Shaky, I have a feeling he may give up his spot on Cava to stay on the mainland. Seems like there are a few story threads on the mainland that need to be tied up before Shaky goes back to Cava. Would be ironic if Shaky gives up his spot on the boat, and the boat never makes it back to Cava with the ammo and meds. Later on, Shaky makes it back to Cava, only to find that it has fallen.
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    I would have expected members of the Black Watch to have better discipline than that, even in a world gone completely mad. I wonder if anyone who has served in that regiment reads Crossed and this web series, and if so, what they think about the way this story portrayed them.
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2013
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    ^ Sadly, recent history in Iraq suggests that British troops don't need the world to be ending in order to abuse civilians.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2013
     (10977.16)
    Yeah, and this is where you lost me.

    How long's it supposed to have been? A year? Not that? Overseas deployments last for longer in areas without knocking shops and all guys, even soldiers, have dry spells lasting longer. In a shitty situation, where there's a chance of establishing a new supply route, discipline doesn't break down like that. Especially for a minger.

    Sure, prisoners get abused and dehumanised, but not a potential ally. Lamp-shading it by talking about 'that movie' was just a bit too much too.

    Of course, it could be that thingy's CSI version of events was way off and overly influenced by 'that movie' but it was almost like once it was going in that direction, the story was painted into a bit of a damned if you do or don't mixture of metaphorical outcomes. Going with it but lamp-shading the hell out of it just felt a bit unsatisfying though.
    • CommentAuthorfenrir07
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2013
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    "....It all goes horribly wrong..."

    Seline dying, well - I figured she would, like I think all the others eventually will get bumped off - but didn't think she would be raped. I thought there would have been all sorts of people holed up in the castle, including women and children. But well...., the castle had to fall, of course, because if I got it right the crossed world rests on a number of truths, one of them being that no fixed position can withstand the crossed. I imagine Cava will also eventually fall. Meanwhile maybe they need to get a new Sofia to Cava or it's only a matter of time before the men starts to rape the women there too... :/
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    ...all of which only proves that most of us would have made the same mistake that Shaky did in that situation. We would have assumed "real soldiers wouldn't do that" and would have gotten burned.

    Having said that, it does make the story darker and uglier, and I don't blame anyone for being turned off by it.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2013
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    'Real' soldiers with that much ammunition and a defendable position would have been able to kill all of the crossed in front of the gate prior to a supply run before more could turn up too. Sure, the mechanics of it are weighted towards plot points and what's considered important about the story, but that's why I felt that going with a trope and then lamp-shading it quite so much was a mistake. I'm not writing the thing though and it may well all be in the service of providing a further twist, but at this stage, my personal reaction was; a little disappointed. Of course, there's the out that it all may not have happened as shown, but well, we'll see, I suppose.
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    Agree with you completely, Oddcult. I'm a bit disappointed as well.

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