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  1.  (11027.1)
    Somewhere to ask questions, because I can't be the only person who is at least somewhat clueless about makeup and skincare and has gotten by mostly with trial and error. Also, if there are blogs that you have found useful, please share them!
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2013 edited
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    Haha, we all get it by trial and error, don't worry. Blogs and shit help, but even then you still have to go through trial and error to see what works for your particular facial shape and skin type.

    Also, what are people's feelings on posting cool makeup photos for inspiration? I'm thinking doing so might help keep this thread in theme with the artist vibe WC has and give the visual artists stuff they can use as well. Not necessarily like a photo dump a la pinterest, but things we find particularly striking or interesting, or want advice on how to replicate the look.
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2013
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    I'm totally for photos.

    ...not by me because hahahahaha NO.

    But still, I'm for them.

    Anyone use a pink stick? I find it works wonders for the dark circles around my eyes. I use the one by Benefit.

    I'm really looking forward to seeing what other people have on here. My usual makeup look is the "...I don't believe you're even wearing makeup" natural look, but really want to get in to some more advanced things.
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    Photos: Yes!

    I've actually been wanting tips on how to better take photos to show off makeup because I am so not good at that.
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      CommentAuthorsseloske
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2013
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    I basically paint a new face over my regular face every day, so hopfully I can be helpful here! I have already been stumped, though. Oldhat, I have no idea what a pink stick is, so I google image searched it and got this.

    No, I can't say I have used that!


    Sometimes I use a super thick concealer for circles. The kind that looks like beige lipstick. I'm never very happy with the results, though, so I generally skip it and go for that TB casualty look.
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2013 edited
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    Tips on getting better makeup photos, oh god yes I need that. Then I can start taking good photos and not just post shitty iphone and photobooth photos. I'll post some face shots from the wedding once we get those back, should be sometime this week. The one thing I've learned so far is that natural lighting is best, and if I must take the photo in artificial lighting, try to get lighting from all angles so I don't get shadow on various parts of my face.

    Hopefully everything I learned for makeup wedding application will come in handy here. I didn't hire a makeup artist so a lot of time went into practicing for the big day. Here's a fun one for now - blush totally doubles as eyeshadow. In this photo I have a coral blush on the lid with a medium brown on the crease. Also my eyebrows are filled in with a powder. Very happy I've been able to master this technique, since it allows me to define my eyebrow arches.

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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2013 edited
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    @sselo, um, I actually linked to it in my above post...
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2013
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    re: Pink Stick

    I tend not to use pink things on my skin because I have yellow undertones, so it doesn't match. Unless it's blush or eyeshadow, where's it's supposed to stand out, I won't use it. What I do to make my eyes look more awake is use a black liquid liner to draw a fine cat eye, with only a small flick if it's more business or just casual, longer flick if I'm feeling more femme or dress-up. I'll also curl my lashes and put mascara on. This works for me because my natural eye shape makes me look a bit sleepy and I have long straight lashes that make my eyes look smaller than they are, so the liner helps to "lift" my outer corners while the curl+mascara makes my eyes look more open, thus awake.

    Once I got my makeup done by a lady at Sephora so I could get wedding makeup tips and I swear she gave my eyes so much lift using eyeshadow it looked like I had a face lift. It was impressive and creepy. The advice was still helpful, though. I recreated a milder version for the wedding that still enhanced my eyes without making me look like an alien.
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      CommentAuthorglukkake
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2013
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    I wear *ALL* the makeups!

    OK, though seriously, my eyes are my main focus for things. I use this thing that I don't know how to describe it. But it's a liquid that is meant to convert eyeshadow into a liquid liner. Because I have the fear of propylene glycol (anything I use for silkscreening I worry about going near my eyes), I don't actually use it as an eye liner BUT it is the single most amazing thing for painting your own eyebrows on - as I do. I use a tiny drop of it to soak my angled brush, then can flick my eyebrows on in seconds. It also keeps the eyeshadow heavily pigmented so it doesn't get runny like with water. Once dried, I have worn my eyebrows through pools, rain storms, heavy drinking binges and rough sex. It works well for facepainting for Halloween/cosplay as well.

    For the shadow colour palette, I just went and bought this inexpensive giant set from Amazon (I buy everything from Amazon). Some were more pigmented than others (adding water helped some of them pop more), but it's so damn many colours (and they sell different sets) that I can match whatever colour I dye my hair. Whee! And my skin is somewhat sensitive and it has yet to make me break out or develop styes. Having a palette this huge also has let me experiment a LOT with different styles and colour combos.

    I follow a really basic formula for doing my eyes - pearly white on the inside (do this last), darker colour on the edges (sometimes take a thin brush and pull it halfway across the lower lid close to the lash line), the bright colour I want to pop in the middle of the lid. Then I take my trusty black eyeliner pencil & line all around with a small cat eye pull at the end. Throw on mascara at the end. I have yet to actually find a mascara that I feel does anything *significant* for my eyes, but I recently used one of those dual "primer and colour" mascaras by this company Gosh (who do amazing liquid eyeliners & nail polishes btw) that had a friend asking if I was wearing falsies so I guess it was doing something?


    Now if I could just learn how to get fake eyelashes to stick to me that would be lovely. I have so many lovely ones but I think I claw at my eyes too much cause they inevitably pop off within the hour.
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      CommentAuthorsseloske
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2013
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    @Oldhat: Oops! See, I'm already learning new things!

    Photos: Natural light is good, but it casts a lot of shadows. I find harsh, direct bright light gets the most accurate photos. I will show later, as I don't think I can resize on my phone and god knows I don't want you all to suffer my mug in billboard proportions.

    I have several everyday make up styles and they depend on how much time I have and what I'm wearing. I have rules, you know.
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2013 edited
     (11027.11)
    @Glukkake - how are you doing your falsies? Those took me forever to get the hang out but I can actually wear them for a full day now. I use Duo glue but any good lash glue will work. You really have to let it get tacky before you put them on (make sure to get glue on the very tips of the ends!) and while the glue is getting tacky I gently bend the strip to give it a solid eyelid shape curl to it, and then once I get them on I just keep pressing on them, especially at the corners to get those down solidly (I find that when they do fall it's usually a faulty corner) until the glue has dried. Also, if they're full strips I find trimming the inner corner helps so they don't dig into my lids and poke me.

    Your basic eye formula sounds like mine. For me it's: A nude color from the crease upwards, to help blending, either a bright color or a neutral on the lid, a darker color on the crease and outer v, pearly white on the inner corner and brow bone, in that order. Also, I'm totally adding that glycol to my makeup shopping list, if it lasts through all that then it's totally a must have. Thanks!

    Here's a photo of me wearing ridiculous doll falsies:
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2013
     (11027.12)
    Ladies, you are the prettiest. I'll definitely have to get instructions on how to do that eye-band thing, Glu. I've seen some crazy intricate stuff in that pattern, and it always looks so cool.


    #skincare!
    My skincare regimen right now is painfully inadequate. Usually I get away with a zit or two, but for the past three weeks I've had red blotches, peeling bits, and bumps all over.

    I've been using the cheapest exfoliating facewash I could find, but I think maybe it's time to develop some better habits. Something gentle and fragrance-free would be great. I assume my available brands won't be the same as yours, so maybe we can talk good chemicals and bad chemicals to watch out for? I think of myself as oily-skinned, but I feel like maybe an expert should be consulted.

    I also need help picking out an SPF moisturizer, preferably drugstore. I've been hoping my aloe vera plant would get big enough to harvest some, but, in lieu ....

    I'm definitely going to look into argan oil. Magic goo would be great.
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2013
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    Oh man, the Sephora website is craaaazy. One million women commenting on their products and routines. So cool.
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2013 edited
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    Yeah, those comments help! Sometimes they're a bit annoying because someone will love something and another will hate it, but they can give you a good idea of what to try. Nice thing about sephora too is, even though it's pricier, you can take home free samples so you can test products out first and compare them before you commit to something (and even then you can return and exchange anything).

    #SkinCare

    I use drugstore stuff for my face. Neutrogena naturals for face wash and Trader Joe's moisturizer - their SPF one in the morning and non-SPF one at night. For exfoliation, careful with that. Too much exfoliation can wreck your skin. Tone it down to 1-2x/wk or 2-3x/wk if you're feeling particularly gunky.

    This site has really great product reviews in terms of what chemicals to stay away from. It can be a bit skewed, though. For example, it gives ALL Lush products a poor rating for having skin irritants, but some of their facial cleansers have been awesome at soothing my zits. They also constantly praise products with salicylic acid or retinol, both of which I want to stay away from since I'm already using prescription retinoid. That said, it's a good guide to go off of.

    I cannot recomment argan oil enough. Shit is awesome.

    Also, variation on the eye band: Lay down a base color, then stretch a section of old fishnets over your skin and pat down a contrasting color to get a reptile-scale effect. Excuse the bad blending on the eyelids, this was before I knew how to blend.


    Sorry if I'm going on a photo-comment binge here. My excitement about makeup is a fairly recent development.
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2013
     (11027.15)
    Sephora is great for the comments. Also youtube is a pretty big fountain of knowledge when it comes to the how-tos and applications.

    @allana, for moisturizer I usually go with Life Brand Vitamin A or Vitamin E cream (pretty cheap at Shoppers Drug Mart). Not sure about the SPF on it, as I usually use it as a before bed cleanse, but it's fragrance free and hasn't given me any problems. I usually put some on the rest of my body after a shower as well, but my skin is pretty damn dry and needs it.
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      CommentAuthorsseloske
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2013
     (11027.16)
    @Argos Those lashes are awesome.

    I've never really liked the different cleansing strategies I've devised over the years until now. In the morning, I just use Neutrogena All-in-One scrub in the shower. That can dry my face out if I use it too frequently (more than once a day), and I can't use moisturizers at all. Every single one, regardless of price or naturalness gimmick, either makes me break out, clogs my pores or doesn't work at all, so I decided I'm done playing that game. At night, I use Lush Ultrabland to remove makeup, and then Lush spray tea tea toner to completely remove that. The Lush stuff also moisturizes, so that takes care of any drying issues that I've had in the past from acne scrubs/my protest against moisturizer. And my face skin looks loads better than it ever has.

    I'm really pleased with all the super-pigmented eye shadow that's available now. It used to be pretty hard to come by. Y'all make it look good, too.
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2013
     (11027.17)
    So I bought this:
    http://www.cetaphil.com/products/dermacontrol-oil-control-moisturizer-spf30/
    and some gentle daily facewash (because you're right, Argos, I was overusing an exfoliant every time I had a breakout, like an idiot) that has salycilic acid. So far so good.

    I found an argan oil that wasn't pure - it had a few other additives. Are you using pure argan oil, for a couple of drops a day? Should I use a diluted (it came in both oil and cream moisturizer) version, or try to find it pure?
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2013
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    Actually, another request for the folks that want to put up photos..

    I'd also really appreciate some youtube videos of application, which is where I fail the hardest. Realize putting a video out there is a different kind of beast, but just thought I'd put that out there.
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    Did some makeup shopping this past Tuesday and finally got around to testing some of it out today - tried to the Maybelline BB cream and the Physicians Formula pearl powder. Doesn't feel horrible on my skin, so that's a plus. I wanted to wait until sometime when I was actually going into town and doing interesting things before I tried to do more thorough stuff. I did look for eye primer and all I could find were from L'Oreal and Revlon, and were tinted. Are they supposed to be tinted? I haven't tried it yet.

    As for my skin care system, it's pretty simple, and could probably use some improving. I used to be stricter but I've gotten lazier, partially because I can get away with doing less than I had to do in California. It's amazing the difference clean air makes. I'm also lucky in that birth control actually improves my skin. And remembering to change my sheets/pillows always helps. Anyways, my skin routine:

    Basically, when I wake up and before I go to bed, I wash my face with Neutrogena Acne Wash Pink Grapefruit Facial Cleanser, and if I remember to, I use witch-hazel as toner. And if I was being particularly good, about once a week or so I use Queen Helene Mint Julep Mask. I haven't in a while, but I'm more likely to use it during the summer. I also wash my face more like 3 times a day during the summer due to the sweating and etc. It's far from perfect - my skin stays generally clear - almost no cysts, and occasional small whitehead. Though blackheads and large pores are something I've gotten used to and have generally given up on trying to get rid of. And general red splotchiness and scars are a given too. Maybe ex-foliating more would help.

    Which brings me to my next question: I've heard that Clarisonic does great things for cleaning skin thoroughly, but that is way past my budget. I've seen Olay Pro X Advanced Cleansing System advertised as a cheaper alternative, but I have my doubts. Does anyone know anything about this sort of stuff? Ok, I think this is it for now.
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2013 edited
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    Baby, I got whatcha need:
    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA8B19F6BDB31570B




    / sits quietly

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