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    It's not Thursday! It's not mid-afternoon in London! It's not another wrongheaded morning in Mericky! It's still who-the-fuck-knows-when in Australia, and because I'm currently sitting in the lobby of a Canadian hotel I have NO IDEA what time it is. Except that: it's time for more Crossed Hideosity.

    Episode 45, live and free-to-air.

    Remember: Not safe for work, not safe for minors, not safe for people of a nervous disposition, not safe for BAMF, not safe for Wesley's Crushers, not safe for the 8-hour queue to buy coffee.

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    I mentioned in last week's thread: I feel you did something unique to the Crossed universe with this episode. For the first time I feel there are worse things in this world than the Crossed, that there are worse people and worse horrors awaiting.

    I'm not an expert on fiction or anything, and people are always free to disagree.

    But I think the Gamekeeper is a very special and scary type of villain. Worse than the Crossed. As bad as it gets, in fact.

    You think of the most iconic horror characters. Dracula. Hannibal Lecter. More than monsters, these villains have a class and majesty about them. You almost want them to seduce you.

    The Gamekeeper takes this same concept. He's not classy by any means. Just the opposite. Every single thing about him is ugly. But he has a supernatural quality. He can walk among the Crossed and survive, even thrive. You want to be like him. You want to put your life in his hands.

    The killing of Ashoke is just such a betrayal. That kid trusted him with his life. The nun defied him. But the kid did nothing wrong. It's horrible and wrong... And yet logical. The kid had no survival skills, and thus deserves to die. It's twisted because it almost makes sense.

    And then keeping Shaky alive, like he sees something in him worth keeping. A capacity for twistedness, perhaps. Like Iago in Othello, he didn't want enemies, he wanted CONVERTS.
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    The note still bothers me, as I'm sure it bothers a lot of people. The fact that Shaky writes it at all stands in the way of liking him as a character. It wasn't only Shaky's life he was threatening--he compromised the safety of everyone on Cava. Sure he was depressed and desperate for answers. Sure he carries guilt. And maybe a little pissed that his leaders thought he was good for little more than whelking and guard duty.

    And yes, the flashback is horrible, and almost enough to drive a man to insanity. Someone you already love cut on the face and assaulted? Doesn't get much worse.

    But the note is so reckless, so poorly written, so contradictory. There's a reason he didn't tell anyone about it. It makes almost no sense. Does he really expect anyone who reads it to stay away? "We'll kill you." does that really change anyone's mind? "Well, we were going to attack Cava, but Shaky wrote a love note." Come on now.
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    Upon reflection the only interpretation that reconciles these contradictions (for me at least):

    Shaky is too pants-shittingly terrified to think straight.
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    Ashoke had no survival skills? He appeared to be an expert lockpicker, even on sophisticated electronic locks and alarms. If that's not a survival skill, in a world where access to vital supplies that may often still be tightly locked up and secured can make the difference between life and death, then I don't know what is.
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    I guess when you start thinking like a psychopath, you can forget things like that. Thanks for bringing me back to reality, Ramon. Think I lost it for a sec.
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    I woke up this morning to the latest in a series of crossed related nightmares. This one involved a protracted and bloody escape to join a large group of survivors, but somebody had found some hens eggs Which they'd brought along for food.

    When they opened them, the eggs hatched, opening up with outstretched human hands, each holding a rapidly growing human foetus, which, as it developed, clearly showed the crossed rash on its face.
    It's not the first time I've woken in terror of my family being shredded.

    So yeah, thanks for screwing my mind up...
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    Hey, JP, I've also had (and still have) nightmares involving the Crossed epidemic and its complementary societal disintegration and survival horror aesthetic ever since I first started reading the series in late 2008, starting with issue #1 (I didn't get the 0 issue until about 9 months later). Not every day, mind you, but recurring often enough (maybe once every week or two) to the point where I sometimes stumble upon some lucidity within the dreams and manipulate them to an outcome far more positive than you'll ever see in the actual comics. Nothing involving hens eggs and human fetuses, but otherwise pretty conventional Crossed canon.
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    That's sorry to hear Ramon and JP Carpenter. Personally I always seem to sleep like a baby and never have nightmares about even the worst horror and creepy stuff I read or watch, like pretty much all of the Crossed issues too. Course I don't only read depressing stuff either, like to mix it up with epic stories and comics as well which show these evils being dealt with, or general news or history of challenges and achievements of inspirational figures of history. Maybe you guys could try that, watch more of the things that make life worth living like those youtube animal videos that are so adorable :P.

    Honestly what I find compelling about this comic is that it basically goes to where few other stories dare to, and shows the true scale and horror that is these graphic and horrific crimes which often is merely hand waved as a plot theme for some other comic and really adjusts the scale on my perception of morality. As such, because of these comics I don't feel like I can take issues like sexual assault and psychopathic murder so lightly like what's actually happening with all these B-films or crime shows, which I see a staggering amount of people become non-chalant with such as the word "rape" in modern slang. Although I do believe that the initial idea behind the Crossed was based off real atrocities from wars and stuff brought into a first world zombie apocalypse setting, but human society deals with them sickos a lot more then usual now with the UN or general law and order *plus modern firepower*. On a sidenote it's probably why I'm so loving the Englishman's Badlands arc happening now...can't wait for the Crossed to get what's coming to them :D. Overall I believe I can just subconsciously draw the divide between the horror and reality, and I know that in the real world human society tend to be a lot more...constructive...on average.
    Or maybe I'm a just a sick asshole XD.
    • CommentAuthorlankmarrow
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2013
    Newcomer to both Whitechapel and Crossed. I just spent an entire day working my way through Wish You Were here from the beginning, which was something of an experience.

    Great stuff Simon. I now have to decelerate like crazy and adjust to the regular episodic schedule. Feels like going cold turkey.

    Plus I think I have the start of this weird rash on my face.
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    lankmarrow, don't forget about the Crossed comic books, most of which have been collected into trade paperbacks by now.
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2013 edited
    Crossed has ruined other zombie works for me. I'm currently playing a paper and pencil RPG called Outbreak: Undead and am constantly being urged to watch The Walking Dead by the rest of the group. The problem is that I feel like a guy drinking straight Everclear being urged to try an Appletini because it has such a great buzz.
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    Johnjones, I know exactly how you feel!

    I've been into survivalist and apocalyptic literature and cinema for as long as I can remember, and I can honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that the Crossed series makes all other post-apocalyptic worlds look like candyland... except for maybe The Road. In both Crossed and The Road you get the honest depiction of a scared shitless humanity's response to the most horrible situation you can imagine. There's no hero or happy ending. The reason for the epidemic isn't highlighted, or even considered important. What's important is surviving for one terrified second longer. Humanity is reduced to the rules of the animal kingdom, and we're reminded how animalistic we really are when the thin veil of society goes up in flames.

    As far as The Walking Dead (comic) series goes... I'm still a zombie horror fan, but once I finally started reading Crossed (about a year ago) I could no longer get excited about TWD in the same way that I used to. It's still some great writing and I continue to read it, but once introduced to the crossed universe... the slow moving, thoughtless, brainless, flesh eaters that are slowly decaying away to nothing kind of lost their appeal in my eyes. Comparing a zombie to a plussie is like comparing a toddler to a UFC fighter.
    • CommentAuthorBig Sven
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2013
    However... put a Crossed and a Reaver in a cage together. Who would win?
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2013
    The Crossed, even if it was killed, it'd turn the Reaver into something like itself. The Crossed are the ultimate expression of Nietzsche's ""Those who fight monsters should take care that they never become one. For when you stand and look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Except in this case, the abyss bites off your nose, stabs you in the bleed and fucks you until it cums in the wound. By which time you're either dead or Crossed.
    • CommentAuthorlankmarrow
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2013
    I write the fluff (pejorative wargamer jargon for the character backgrounds and non-rules text) for a zombie skirmish game called 7ombieTV. I fear my survivor characters, like many a zombie-move hero, would fare very poorly against the Crossed as tainted blood and guts spray over their heroic grinning mugs.
    But on the plus side (pun intended), I do have killer St Trinian's and cannibal bus conductors.
    For Ghouls and Colleges

    Crossed trades now ordered as a wedding present for a friend...
    • CommentAuthorgas-plume
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2013
    Ok so whens the Crossed Tv series going to arrive, I verily demand to know.
    For some reason I also hope all the principals are unknowns.
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2013
    Ok so whens the Crossed Tv series going to arrive, I verily demand to know.

    Maybe if Rob Zombie and Lars von Trier get their own cable channel?
    • CommentAuthorgas-plume
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2013
    Whaaaaa? I thought it was in the pipe line.
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    You're referring, I think, to the forthcoming webisodes, as directed by Mr Ennis? Look out for announcements very soon, but: AFAIK, 2014.

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