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  1.  (11114.1)
    that movie just keeps sounding worse.
    it's going to be a Zach Snyder movie why have any hopes for it.
    also will this make Ben Affleck the worst Batman? It's a hard decision between him and Clooney.
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      CommentAuthortaphead
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013
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    Funnily enough, this did nothing to weaken my resolve to keep moving away from Hollywood blockbusters.
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    Yeah, Affleck wouldn't have made a bad Luthor, he's just so hateable.

    Maybe the calculus is they still want you to root for Superman to snap his neck.

    Holy shit! Get Snyder on the phone now! Just had an idea! Superman can break Batman's back, just when Bats kills him with a Kryptonite injection! It's totally awesome! KNIGHTFALL AND DEATH OF SUPES in the same movie!

    Affleck is just modeling his career after Clooney, and "worst Bat-film ever" happened to be on the list. Become an indie director? Check. Become an outspoken supporter of artist rights? Check. Worst Bat-film....
  3.  (11114.4)
    Okay, serious theory:

    Any buzz is good buzz, correct? And the fanboys are going to scream for two years.
    • CommentAuthorflecky
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013
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    I'm ashamed to be related to him after reading that. Why, Ben, why?
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      CommentAuthorMagnulus
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013
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    I have no problem with Ben Affleck. Let's not forget Heath Ledger, who received exactly the same amount of scorn when he was announced as the Joker (sprinkled with some homophobia thanks to his brave choice of doing Brokeback Mountain). I remember seeing that announcement and thinking "Well, THAT'S interesting. I don't really see it, but it's going to be interesting to see how this works!" and I'm thinking exactly the same now. I think it could work.
  4.  (11114.7)
    I would be okay with Ben Affleck as Batman, if someone that proved they could make a good movie was directing.
  5.  (11114.8)
    Batfleck
  6.  (11114.9)
    The Heath Ledger point is a good one. I'm gonna reserve judgement until the movie's out... Clearly Affleck wasn't cast without actually trying out for the role. And Affleck wasn't the problem with Daredevil. The UNTZ UNTZ LOOK AT ME EVERY SCENE IS OOZING ULTIMATE COOLNESS AND TECHNO MUSIC UNTZ UNTZ direction was the problem.

    That said, he'd better go do an "I'm fucking Superman/I'm fucking Batman" thing on the Jimmy Kimmel show. He'd BETTER.
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      CommentAuthorD.J.
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013 edited
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    There are a few very important differences between the negative reactions to Heath Ledger/Michael Keaton and what's happening here.

    1) This is much more of a cashgrab. Ben Affleck is a big name that sells tickets, Ledger and Keaton were up-and-comers at the time of their casting.
    2) Ben Affleck has played similar roles, people largely know what to expect here and know whether or not they like it. Ledger and Keaton were both being cast out of type.
    3) Ledger and Keaton had talented directors!

    I guess I'll just have to hope that he doesn't remain Batman after this. They also need to start hiring better writers really badly. Really, really badly.

    Edit: Really, really, really, really, really badly.
  7.  (11114.11)
    I'm still hoping (but not crossing my fingers for) Man of Collateral Damage being a setup for how they'll introduce Lex: By making him point out exactly how much loss of life Superman caused by not taking the fights out of populated areas, turning the popular opinion against Supes. If they do that, they're totally forgiven for wrecking (the other) half of Metropolis in the final slugout. Because dangit, I enjoyed Man of Steel outside of that.
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      CommentAuthorD.J.
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013 edited
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2013 edited
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    For my part, I think Ben Affleck can do a decent job as Batman. Truthfully, I'd feel better about the movie if Affleck were directing it instead of starring in it. Talk about Daredevil and Gigli if you want, but Gone Baby Gone, The Town and Argo were damned fine movies.
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    1) This is much more of a cashgrab. Ben Affleck is a big name that sells tickets, Ledger and Keaton were up-and-comers at the time of their casting.
    2) Ben Affleck has played similar roles, people largely know what to expect here and know whether or not they like it. Ledger and Keaton were both being cast out of type.
    3) Ledger and Keaton had talented directors!


    1. Bullshit. Ledger was firmly established as an extremely talented actor and leading man at the time of his casting as The Joker. The hate was almost entirely because he wasn't Mark Hamill. Michael Keaton had also anchored several hugely successful films. People didn't like him for the part because he's short and was a comedian.
    2. Affleck has played one similar role, written by a much bigger hack than David Goyer (who I don't have any particular love for either, but he's certainly got more quality films under him than Mark Steven Johnson). Keaton was being cast against type. What type was Ledger being cast against? Gay cowboy? Racist Southern prison guard? High school bad boy? Dorky folklorist? Celtic warrior? Dude was a fucking chameleon.
    3. True. Though I'd say Zach Snyder is about on par with present day Tim Burton.

    Affleck will be fine as Batman. And he may even have enough clout to doctor the script himself or bring in some script doctors to make it not entirely suck. And one can hope that he'll pull a Bruce Willis and basically ghost direct the film for Snyder.
  9.  (11114.15)
    Okay, I've slept on it.

    Ultimately I suppose I'm just bored with the prospect of Affleck. Yeah, we were wrong about Keaton and Ledger. But we weren't wrong about Clooney and Johnny Depp as Tonto. And the apologists told us Tom Hardy as Bane would be a knockout. Turned out it was a big whatever.

    This happened for one reason only. The Oscar-winning writer/director was close to severing his working relationship (fellationship?) with Warner's because they fired his friend Jeff Robinov, who went to Fox.

    That's it.

    Not because he's best for the part or right for the script. None of that. Art has absolutely nothing to do with it. And neither do any of Affleck's own statements of support for his friend. He's just as full of shit as the rest of them.

    They signed the deal, the announcement flopped, Twitter went crazy, and they'll spend the next two years spinning it. Getcherpopcorn.
  10.  (11114.16)
    Oh, and MEANWHILE, Marvel quietly locked down Vin Diesel as Groot, Bradley Cooper as Rocket Raccoon, and Benicio Del Toro is secretly playing Thanos. Gotta be laughing their asses off.
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      CommentAuthorallana
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2013
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    I don't do new releases, but I will admit to being on a crazy period-drama binge this week. I had never seen the bastard step-child version of Mansfield Park that made up an entire slavery subplot just so the director could feel relevant and modern - why did you sign up for Austen, then? Which got me onto a 'male fans of Austen' website with a number of scathing reviews about how the director inserted a bunch of quasi-lesbian moments and made every male character an evil lecher. It's been a ball.
  11.  (11114.18)
    SOPHIA INVESTIGATES THE GOOD NEWS CLUB is a short film that had me frequently giving the upraised middle finger to certain interviewees on screen. The titular Sophia is a teen reporter. The subject of her investigation, The Good News Club, is a national organization dedicated to bringing their version of the Word of God as an after-school activity.

    But any images of innocuousness get quickly dispelled when you learn about their practices, which rival the aggressiveness of commercial advertisers. The Good News Club deliberately targets kids ages 4-14 years old because they're considered "most receptive" to their message. A very fundamentalist version of Christianity happens to be the foundation of that group's message. Good News kids are encouraged to treat nonbelievers in their version of God as condemned to eternal burning in Hell. Also, obedience without questioning is considered the highest expression of faith.

    What left me most nauseated by this film was learning that teachers and concerned parents who didn't want the Good News Club to darken their school could not keep the group out. What sounds like the same U.S. Supreme Court which gave the U.S. the wonderful Bush v. Gore decision ruled that the Good News Club had an all-access pass to the nation's schools.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2013
     (11114.19)
    @ Miranda's Eyes

    Basic Freedom of Expression/Religion reasoning there. Schools, at least public schools, aren't allowed to play favorites when it comes to religion and religious organizations, even ones as nauseating as this one.
  12.  (11114.20)
    So Ben Affleck as Batman, and Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor?

    He could actually do an awesome job... I just hope they manage to make us not see Walter White.