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    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.21)
    Is there such a thing as a no-confidence motion in the US house? I know the president can be impeached, but is there a way for the people to say 'screw you guys, we're voting for the house reps again'?

    Do the people have any way to enforce a solution at all?
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      CommentAuthortaphead
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.22)
    Meanwhile the ever so lovely concervative site RedState gives us this gem:

    "Congressmen, this is about shutting down Obamacare. Democrats keep talking about our refusal to compromise. They don’t realize our compromise is defunding Obamacare. We actually want to repeal it."

    Yeah. I sincerely hope these people will be looking for work soon, and finding that the market doesn't have any available jobs for Senior Asshat positions.
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      CommentAuthorvoyou
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.23)
    Is there such a thing as a no-confidence motion in the US house?

    No, there isn't, not in the full sense of a motion that would require the executive to resign. Indeed, in a Westminster system, what the House Republicans have done, refusing to approve the budget, would count as a motion of no confidence in itself, requiring a new executive or a new legislature.

    If the the House Republicans were serious about being partisan, they should vote to impeach Obama, making it clear that they are doing so not because of actual "high crimes and misdemeanours", but just because they disagree with his policies, thereby establishing a kind of back-door confidence motion (which would be a genuine improvement to the US constitution). That wouldn't work in this case, though, because although the House could vote to impeach, the impeachment trial is carried out by the Senate, and the Republicans don't have enough votes in the Senate. If he doesn't get impeached, Obama should issue an executive order ordering government departments to spend all the money required by authorised programs despite the budget not being passed.

    The implementation details of the US consitution were largely established by nakedly partisan politicians in the early years of the republic doing blatantly unconstitutional procedural shit and daring their political opponents to make something of it. The present US needs a dose of that kind of inventiveness, I think.
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013 edited
     (11169.24)
    Meanwhile, a GOP congressman who vowed to keep the shutdown going "as long as it takes" bitched at a Park Ranger for keeping people out because of the shutdown and made her apologize.

    Although it could potentially be a good learning experience for some GOP to find out EXACTLY WHAT GOVERNMENT DOES FOR PEOPLE, I don't think they'll learn a thing.

    Once again, The Onion kind of has it.

    "They haunt my dreams at night. I have this one nightmare where I’m about to ask for a vote on a clean continuing resolution and then one of them—I think it’s Steve King from Iowa—looks at me with this eerie smile and says, “No, John. No you won’t.” And then the rest of them are suddenly standing behind him and they all chant in a chilling monotone, “No, John. No you won’t.” And then I wake up screaming, “No, John!!! No you won’t!!!” and I’m crying, and my wife is crying, and I’ve sweat through my sheets."
  1.  (11169.25)
    Graeme Mc Millan suggests that the GOP-fomented government shutdown could be the party's attempt to do a real-life version of THE WEST WING episode "Shutdown."
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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.26)
    Pfffft. Graeme McMillan should know that only liberals watch the West Wing.
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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.27)
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      CommentAuthortaphead
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.28)
    Meanwhile, Fox News JUST RAISES A QUESTION AND IN NO WAY USES A WEASEL QUESTION MARK:

    "Budget Battle, Partial Shutdown Raises the Question... CAN WE DO WITHOUT IT?"

    Jesus, I think this is dumb enough to cause time dilation.
  2.  (11169.29)
    Re: The shooting

    This isn't surprising at all. This kinda thing is a big, bright COME GO NUTS HERE YALL YOU'LL GET A LOT OF ATTENTION signal to nutbags. And also a big, shiny HEY HERE'S SOMETHING HANDY TO GO NUTS AT IF YOU NEED TO LET OFF SOME POLITICALLY CHARGED STEAM sign to people who regularly gnash their teeth while polishing their guns. I'd be more surprised if something like that didn't happen, sad as it is.
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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.30)
    Yeah, apparently the shooting is maybe not related to the shutdown—it was a car chase that ended at the capitol, so it's possible that it was just dumb luck. TO BE DETERMINED.
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      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.31)
    Knowing that area, it's surprisingly easy to get to just by accident. I've been lost trying to find parking near a bar or nightclub and ended up circling the Capitol.
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.32)
    It looks unrelated. Which is honestly... still embarrassing.

    *sigh* Time to Mad Max up, yet?
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.33)
  3.  (11169.34)
    Getting back to the shutdown, meet the GOP rep from NC who says despite the government shutdown, she still needs her paycheck.
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      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.35)
    “Listen,” Walden told them, “We have to do this because of the Tea Party. If we don’t, these guys are going to get primaried and they are going to lose their primary.” Noting that he often hears complaints from the pro-business wing of the party, he noted none of them get involved at the local level. “The Tea Party gets involved at the local level,” he added.


    Greg Walden (R-OR) on the government shutdown, and the Republicans' reasoning for backing it.
  4.  (11169.36)
    Charles R. Pierce raises a disturbing question. What if the GOP lunatics want to keep the federal government shut down for the duration of Obama's second term?
    I'm pretty sure that's not possible. The shutdown won't prevent any elections (and if it does, Obama would suddenly be President for Life, which would be exactly the opposite of what they'll want). If they manage to somehow keep the shutdown going in to next year, they'll get their asses kicked out in the mid-terms. They're almost certainly already going to get their asses kicked out in the mid-terms, just like what happened the last time they shut down the government.
  5.  (11169.37)
    @David Lejeune

    Trouble is, the Tea Party Republicans and the ones too scared to stand up to them won't get their asses kicked out in the midterms, they're in super gerrymandered districts where they'll never lose a primary, let alone re-election.
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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.38)
    If we can't redistrict or just guillotine these assholes, can we at least please make them take high school English again? Not one of these assholes ever learned what irony is.

    "HARRY REID, IF YOU DON'T PASS OUR MODIFIED BUDGET YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT KIDS WITH CANCER"
    "Well, actually you guys chose not to find the NIH here, and the ACA helps people with cancer not get completely bankrupted by treatment fees."
    "YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT KIDS WITH CANCER. OBAMACARE IS SOCIALISM."

    And no, Tea Party. Irony isn't defined the way Alanis described it, you dumb fucks.

    Really goddamn tired of this.
  6.  (11169.39)
    @ebullientsoul: I realize that they're in super gerrymandered districts that won't flip from Republican to Democrat at the mid-terms, but I have to believe that there's a good chance that they'll flip from Tea Party Republican to Moderate Republican in the wake of this.
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2013
     (11169.40)
    My greatest fear is that political/media outfits like FreedomWorks have found a durable exploit in our democracy.

    There are too many easily exploitable, fear-driven Americans. They are in some ways anti-authoritarian, in that they won't listen to fucking reason when it comes to health, science, minority rights, or the reality of other cultures. And in other ways, they have a knee-jerk positive response to other kinds of authority. A TV preacher, a tough-talking former military man, a strident down-home harpy . . . they'll hang on their every word.

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