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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2013 edited
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    http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/video/mini-episode-the-night-of-the-doctor/


    i'm not the biggest whovian but... whoa
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2013
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    Wasn't it just?
    • CommentAuthorbadbear
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2013
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    I've been listening to some of the audioplays recently so this made me lose my shit a little bit.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2013 edited
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    Here's the YouTube version for our non UK friends...



    And yes, I may have lost my shit a little bit watching that...
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    I actually give a shit about the 50th anniversary ep now. It would be nice if Moffatt has climbed out of his arsehole enough to make the show good again...
    (...but of course that would involve killing Clara, who he seems to crush on big-time...)
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2013
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    So yeah, the minisode was totally fucking bloody awesome. But Moffat has always been good at setting up big world shaking events and then gently fumbling them, so we'll see I guess ...

    Out of interest @ Cat Vincent, what doesn't work about Clara for you? I've found it refreshing to see that Moffat can write a female character without him confusing assertiveness and capability for stropiness ...
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2013
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    (Is there where I point out Moffat tends to write the season opener and closer and that's about it?)
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    Mini-question: has Moffat set himself the task of trying to tie up the loose ends of 90s post-film novels & comics into RTD's reboot so as to set it into cannon?

    This mini-sode would say so and, boy, is it lurvely.

    I've been trying to avoid all trailers, reveals, info-stuff about the 50th so as not to spoil it but popped into my Twitter feed and I'm glad I took the opp. Top notch.
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    @Flabyo Although he writes these I think his job description is 'showrunner' which, as I understand it is that he plots the arcs that cover the season, but others may write the individual episodes.
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2013
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    That's basically how it works, was the same when RTD was running it.

    They write the episodes considered 'key', and act as script editor on the rest, sometimes throwing in scenes to make it serve the arc.

    But to say that every bad writing decision in the show is Moffat's fault is pushing it, which is what I was getting at.
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2013
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    ^Fair point, that. But for me, a lot of the writing flaws are most noticable when Moffat is writing the episodes. That said, maybe I'm just looking for them more actively ...
    • CommentAuthorbadbear
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2013
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    @curb
    RE:Clara - You didn't ask me but I want to talk about it anyway. I liked her initial outings but I progressively think she's a bit manic-pixie-dreamgirl rather than a real person. Also, the almost-quasi-romantic relationship she has going on with The Doctor feels tacked on and I don't understand why it's happening.

    Maybe I'm being overly harsh, would be interested to know if any of you disagree...
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2013
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    I didn't like Clara much at all through last season, I can see the manic-pixie-dreamgirl thing for sure. I just hope that they've now established something to make her character grow now. (which for those who didn't see last season I've spoilered...)

    Clara being spread through the Doctor's entire life means that she's the first companion to have met every previous iteration. Lots of things that would normally freak out a fresh companion now won't phase her at all. She isn't going to care about regenerations, she'll be fine when 10 meets 11 in a few weeks, she'll probably not be bothered when whatever happens to give us Peter Capaldi happens at Christmas.

    They have a chance to turn her into an 'equal partner' companion like Romana used to be, someone who can lead a story as often as they follow the Doctor's lead. Whether they do that or not... we shall see.
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    I have to say, this made me interested in The Day of the Doctor.

    After seeing 8? Even if it was for four minutes... it was enough to hook me.

    Fathom Events are doing theater showings here 'State side. I bought my ticket last night.
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    I loved seeing eight again. I listened to a bunch of Doctor Who audio plays with the eighth doctor a while ago, the whole arc with Charlie. He is one of my favorite doctors, and it was good to see him get more screen time as the doctor.
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
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    Heh, see I don't really see the manic pixie dreamgirl thing at all. But yeah, it'll certainly be interesting to see how her character develops next series, particularly bouncing off of the new Doctor ...
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      CommentAuthorLazarus99
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2013
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    So, I'm somewhat confused. Is he supposed to regenerate in this ep, or will there be a christmas special for that?
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2013 edited
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    Supposedly in the Christmas special. But I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it happened this weekend ...

    ETA: That said, it probably makes sense to hold the new Doctor back until the end of the Christmas special. Otherwise the usual end-of-series cliffhanger reveal is lost.
    • CommentAuthorSpike3185
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2013
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    Apparently he's supposed to regenerate in the christmas special.

    My issue with the whole "but Moffat only writes the first and last episodes of the season!" argument is that he's the one who gets final say in the writer's room about what scripts make it out of that room. It's his responsibility to take the lion's share of the credit or the shit that comes down for how things are written. He's the one with the power to say to another writer "that character's coming out a bit stroppy and we can give her the same strength without making her fucking irritating" or "this reveal doesn't really live up to the setup we've given it". The fact that he's not doing either of those things indicates one of two things, either: he doesn't give a shit (hiiiiiiiiighly unlikely seeing as he seems to have been a big fan of the show before working on it), or he likes how things come out under his watch. Now, obviously, I'm still watching so I can't bitch too much about the job the man's done so far but honestly I would really love it if the next person they got to run things got off this whole "well it's a kids' show so stop being picky about quality" train and worked a little harder at making things make sense while still being fun to watch. It is fucking possible. Imagine what it'd be like if an adult could watch the show and not spend the whole time smacking their head over small details that make no fucking sense whatsoever and take them out of the story, while also blowing kids' minds with things that are possible and making them curious to learn more about such things. Space is fucking interesting, damnit! The show's good as is but I can't help but think about how amazing it could be with just a few little tweaks here and there.
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    I don't like the fact that Moffet seems to confuse time travel for magic. And it's not just the small details that don't makes sense, but main plot points also. The one episode that really bothered me is when Amy and Rory left the show.
    How does the statue of liberty walk across the city without anyone seeing it?

    What I do like is there is more comedy in the show since Moffet started. He also brought back the eighth even if it was for only a few minutes.