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      CommentAuthor-3-
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2013
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    Been in hospital, so late to the conversation.

    How more than 12 regenerations? Well...
    The Sisterhood Of Karn, from the Night Of The Doctor short. "Time Lord science is elevated here on Karn."
    Seems like an easy loophole to the rules, eh?
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    ^^ I was discussing this today and agree that this is an easy loophole aaaaaaaaaaand, on top of that, I suggested that if The Doctor is The Other from the novels and/or Grandfather Paradox from Faction Paradox then it's possible he's always been lying about his regenerations and has found a way around it or that it was only ever imposed as a law/societal judgement by other Time Lords. [See Tom Baker's Doctor's reaction to Romana changing bodies so regularly when she regenerated].
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    One of the Doctor Who books apparently did establish that the regeneration limit was a matter of Time Lord Law and not Time Lord Physiology, and that once you hit your last regeneration there was some machine that you reported to that locked you in that body until you died, but the show has treated regeneration energy as a finite resource.
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    ^^Ah-hah!
    I thought so. I just couldn't remember the reference. Any chance you can?

    Of course, the only official 'canon law' we have to go on is whatever showrunners say it is...keeps us guessing, at least :)
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2013
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    So, there was a whole lot of casually hand waving away dangling threads in that episode. But Capaldi looks like he's going to be a whole lot of fun.
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    Agreed. Spoilers...

    Dearie me, that was a lot of waffly crap. Every damn thing that had been built up was pissed away - The Silence, Trenzalor, The Big Crack That Devours Everything (as Laurie Penny notes, the gender politics still suck). I honestly think Handles The Cyberman head has more depth than Clara... and ten seconds of Pond doing basically nothing acted her off the screen.

    But I truly hope Capaldi will shake things up enough for the new series not to wallow so much.
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      CommentAuthorTF
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2013
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    So it wasn't just me then.
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      CommentAuthorFoamhead
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2013
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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2013
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    yeah...

    that was terrible... nothing happened, there were no real characters, no real reason for the doctor to stay there AT ALL, no reason for him to regenerate. "lets just have him get old"

    i honestly don't understand why he was there! the various aliens were attacking because the doctor could bring gallifrey through. So he caused a very small localized war that lasted thousands of years just to....

    fuck i really thought that was terrible
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      CommentAuthorJ.Brennan
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2013
     (11198.70)
    Hmm...

    I think I shall be the voice of dissent. With the exception of Clara who, beyond her first appearance, has been about as bland as plain grits, I quite liked it. I do think that the Silence got the short end of the stick story-wise, but it didn't really spoil it for me.

    @Alastair: Maybe I'm just rationalizing, but the Doctor stayed because if he left the assembled villains would've just turned the planet into a cinder. He stayed because he was desperately lonely, and though he didn't want to start the Time War anew, he couldn't let go of that thread of connection and hope that the Time Lords could return. Made sense to me.
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    Short version:

    manic-pixie-dream-boy suffers while infatuated girl looks on admiringly. Oops, only 10 mins to go: Quick, deus-ex-machina ending!


    Long version:

    Moffat is great at writing suspense but awful writing characters. “Blink” works well because it’s a self-contained episode, and it relies on suspense.

    Where Moffat comes apart is in characterisation - he can only write 2-dimensional men and 1-dimensional women. Hence in the Christmas episode [spoilers] Clara admits she’s travelling with the Doctor because she fancies the Manic-Pixie-Dream-Boy (rather than any intelligent, adult, reasons - such as adventure, excitement, etc - which would give her character too much autonomous power).

    Capaldi’s age might help break down the Manic-Pixie-Dream-Boy trope and replace it with the more traditional (and broader, in character terms) Trickster archetype of the Doctor, but it’s going to need a new writer to be able to write Clara - or any other female companion - as anything other than a woman who is controlled by her romantic infatuation with the Doctor, who is nothing but a Mary-Sue of the writer.
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    Devil's advocate question:

    1. Was it fun?
    2. Was it Chrismassy?
    3. Did it serve the fans?
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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2013
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    no

    no

    not really
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2013
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    Well I liked it.

    So nyur.
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      CommentAuthorcosta_k
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2013
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    I never really cared for DR WHO outside of the episode "Blink", but having mainlined about two days' worth of Christmas specials and various episodes...yeah, I enjoyed this last "The Time Of The Doctor."

    So...whatever. Background and continuity is what you make of it.
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    I liked it too. I thought it was very fun, as long as you don't think about the plot too hard which is true of any Doctor Who story (or almost any story involving time travel at all.)
    It wasn't too Christmasy and most of the Christmas stuff felt like it was just added to it, but that didn't really bother me.
    But I will agree that Clara is really bland and doesn't have any real character to her. Maybe she will interact better with Capaldi's Doctor.
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2014 edited
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    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2014
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    I own a coat like that.

    Now everyone will think I'm doing bad Peter Capaldi cosplay.
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    He looks like a Dracula
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    De Tardis needs yer blood!