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      CommentAuthorCat Vincent
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2014 edited
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    Blimey.
    Seems recent aggro at Moore after the recent biography launch has led him to address a very long screed in response to accusations of his racism and 'obsession' with rape.

    This done, he then finally vents his entire spleen on the subject of Grant Morrison - in which the kindest thing he calls him is a "Scottish tribute band"... and then declares he's basically rejecting pretty much all further calls for interviews.

    Get your popcorn, kids....
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    The only way this is the last Alan Moore interview is if he died right after it.
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    Only read half of it (it's very very very very very very long) but so far I've got nothing to argue with. Haven't gotten to the Grant Morrison bit, though.
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    I think his characterization of the primary audience of superhero films as primarily being 20-50 year olds and that their success points to a growing infantilization of adult intellect is pretty off base. Superhero films make so much money because people take their kids to them. Of course, Alan not having set foot in a cinema for the past god knows how many years, would probably have no idea that children go to movies that aren't Disney musicals, too.
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2014 edited
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    Bloody hell, I thought my screen might actually melt as I read that. Everything up to the Grant Morrison stuff seems clear headed enough, though.

    I suspect that this interview will be about as final as his previous 'final' comics projects.
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    he seemed a little more cranky than usual. he is like someones old grandpa who knows too much and just rambles.
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    Read the second half. So yeah, that's where the "cranky old man" happened. I can understand being annoyed by someone, but that was a lot of words to explain how he'd let Grant Morrison wriggle under his skin over the years.
    • CommentAuthoricelandbob
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2014
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    Wow...

    That was some dark negative energy seeping out of my laptop screen the further I read it.

    You can see that he's clearly a hurt man and all his frustrations, niggles and annoyances at everyone who he feels have done him wrong over the years just came out in a big bleeding, cancerous mass.

    The thing is that I did find it a fairly entertaining, rambling read, but man I do honestly think he needs to start getting out a bit more and just not let Morrison annoy him so much. Easier said than done of course....
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    I don't think he'll get out more. He's more likely to use his magic cave to seal Northampton off from the rest of the dimension.
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    I try to take Alan Moore's pronouncements w/ sufficient enough grains of salt to maintain my enjoyment of his work overall.

    For example, I thought it was a fair enough thought experiment to examine why I enjoy superhero movies and pop culture in general. Upon reflection I found that I didn't agree w/ his 'infantilization' theory, but found it something worth thinking about at least. (I did at least shake loose the insight that it was perhaps a bit silly that I was current on Superior Spider-Man but hadn't cracked open my copy of Alison Bechdel's "Fun Home" yet, and found it a very rewarding oversight to correct)

    The best I can do w/ this Grant Morrison stuff though is take it as a cautionary tale of how severely anger and resentment can warp your perception and how easy it is to slip into self-righteousness. (Hell, Morrison might feel very similarly about Mark Millar! So it goes...)

    Surprised and somewhat relieved to see that Moore is only 60. Plenty of time for his 3rd act reversal, or at least for some ultra cynical masterpiece to emerge and justify his wonderfully articulate hypocrisy!

    Also, how about the similarity of Alan Moore & Frank Miller's comic fandom approval ratings?? They have had a very similar journey from 1986 to 2014. Perhaps something to be said about being superstars in a niche market
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    With all the inconsistencies and rebuffs, it's hard to tell what's going on. Alan Moore seems genuinely aggrieved, while Grant Morrison maintains a calm shrug when he retorts.

    I don't think it matters who's right. What matters more is that it's caused people reading it to shit their brains and start garbling angrily at each other. It'd be nice, for once, for most people to rise above it and let the two men get on with it.

    It's nice that Whitechapel remains a place of sanity.


    Will
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    The difference between Frank Miller and Alan Moore is that I'll still give a chance to anything Alan Moore writes. I'd love to see Frank Miller return from whatever corner or his mind he's crawled in to, but I don't expect that to happen.

    Honestly, Moore's views on superhero movies aren't so contentious that they deserve all that negativity. I don't agree with his point but do understand how he go there. It's not Alan Moore's job to say nice things about the escapist entertainment I enjoy.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2014
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    If anyone on Earth has earned the right to be bitter, it's Alan Moore.

    He's been repeatedly robbed by a massive corporation, that has tried repeatedly to chuck some money at him as if he were a prostitute. "Just take the Watchmen money. The V For Vendetta money. From Hell money. LXG money. Just take the money and smile." WON'T, says Alan Moore. And he's right, too. "Give the money to Gibbons. To David Lloyd. To anyone. I don't care about money, don't you understand that?!" No. They don't.

    Then along comes Grant Morrison, blowing his own horn, somewhat disingenuously, as is his wont. It's easy to see how he's be annoyed at some little pissant riding his coat-tails. Does every Alan Moore comic have a rape in it? No. Do some of them? Yes. Is Alan Moore a racist? No. Is he pissed off? Does he have a reason to be pissed off? Wouldn't you be?

    They bought Wildstorm to acquire him through the back door and then burned down the house. Before Watchmen? Please choke on my penis. They made toys of his creations to sell to oversized children. They watered down every idea he's had, all in the service of making a buck, which is apparently the only thing that matters.

    He's not wrong, about superhero films being tantalizing but infantilizing. He's seen it happen himself. It's all well and good to appropriate tropes and tell stories about a man with a magic wishing ring or whatever. It's quite another, to be stabbed in the back a million times and be asked to smile for the cameras, like a trained monkey in a zoo.
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    @ mister hex;

    That's a nine dart finish. Perfect.
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    I love Alan Moore.


    (& Thanks Hex for saying what really needed to be said)
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    "Just take the Watchmen money. The V For Vendetta money. From Hell money. LXG money. Just take the money and smile." WON'T, says Alan Moore
    Except he took the From Hell and LXG money. It wasn't until LXG turned out to be a massive turd that he instituted his 'take my name off of it and give my share of the money to the artist' policy.

    He's not wrong, about superhero films being tantalizing but infantilizing. He's seen it happen himself. It's all well and good to appropriate tropes and tell stories about a man with a magic wishing ring or whatever. It's quite another, to be stabbed in the back a million times and be asked to smile for the cameras, like a trained monkey in a zoo.
    Reading this paragraph is like having a stroke.
    • CommentAuthorroadscum
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2014
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    Reading this paragraph is like having a stroke.


    I've had one of those, it's not.
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    If anyone on Earth has earned the right to be bitter, it's Alan Moore.


    That's an interesting way of looking at things!
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    I suspect that Alan Moore is just sick of the bullshit that surrounds his every move. And especially when you consider his history with journalists, most of them who only ask questions about DC/WS-era stuff, I can see how he could reasonably give everyone the two finger salute. I bet he's just tired of answering the same ten questions for twenty years straight. Being called a racist by a real moron on Twitter, I'll roll the dice, was the straw that broke his back.

    As for A. Mo v. G. Mo, it diminishes them both, to use Fraction's words.

    Alan Moore has said, I think, everything he's going to say about comics and his feelings about other people's reactions to them. I absolutely do not begrudge him wanting to ignore what he sees accurately, as a waste of his time.

    PLUS: He's still going to do promotional interviews for his products, so we're still going to see him in public. It's gonna be okay, everybody.
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2014
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    Speaking of his products, I'm very much looking forward to reading Jerusalem, whenever it sees the light of day.