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    It's Thursday! It's mid-afternoon in London! It's another wrongheaded morning in Mericky! Everyone in Australia is dead from spiders and snakes and poisonous accents, apparently. And it's time for more Crossed hideosity!

    Episode 76, live and free-to-air.

    Remember: Not safe for work, not safe for minors, not safe for people of a nervous disposition, not safe for Lego diaries.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014 edited
    Well, back in Australia again from London. Somehow found I'm locked inside the house. Probably for the best given what's outside. (It's very hot for starters).

    I'm going to guess given what's happened so far and going by an interview with Si saying they had a definite end point planned, I imagine this is the last volume with this scenario at least. I hope there will be some more world building/expansion done by someone somewhere in the Crossed universe though.

    I wanted to bring up a series of zombie novels by Mira Grant, instead of the usual zombies overrunning the whole world, it actually did set up a scenario where the world had changed but the surviving uninfected humans had managed to adjust and rebuild a society in a fashion that isn't that far removed from pre-disaster society. It made a nice change.

    Obviously, not much of one possible in this world but as I brought up before, I think it's possible for the human race will survive in the remotest, least technology dependent corners of the world. I think there will be the potential for some very interesting stories set in the far future coming up in any of the titles and formats of the story. (From what I know, The Fatal Englishman is 5 years post C-Day, right? I guess it's a good sign that there's still people around).

    As for this story, still excellent and isn't dipping at all. Can't wait to see how this all turns out.
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    I agree Shan that mankind should still survive in the remote and sparsely populated corners of the world as the Crossed die off and no new people are infected. Yes, The Fatal Englisman is 5 years after C-Day. Oh well, might as well post what I posted in the previous thread, seeing as how it's more suitable to this one:

    MrBogey, Shan, you can say that again. At that moment, there was really no difference between him and Crossed Jackie except that he didn't have the rash. But that's what the Crossed are, ultimately: us. They do not do anything that humans haven't already done. That is why calling murderers, rapists, genociders etc. 'monsters' is so redundant, because humans can be and are far more horrible than any 'monster'.

    Boy has Lance been brought down to earth! He's just as alone as Roshan now, though at least her father didn't disown her before his death. Of course, Skip might redeem himself before the end in a "redemption equals death" way, but knowing the Crossed-verse, I doubt it.

    Has anyone read the preview descriptions of Badlands #50-52? The one in #52 states that "Now in an underground bunker, the remains of the British government must try to work that out themselves. How far has it spread? And how? In this world full of monsters, there is no help. There is only the Crossed." Knowing that the British government (or remnants of it) survived at least a little while in a bunker that must be similar to the Central Government War Headquarters in Corsham makes me even more interested in the upcoming arc. Of course, having Harry and his friends again is an additional lure.
    • CommentAuthordroid
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    This might sound a bit ridiculous given the context, but I've read every issue of crossed, have been watching video nasties for over 20 years, and wouldn't characterise myself as easily shocked or upset, but i think there was an element in today's episode that can be classified as gratuitous in the worst possible way.

    No, Im not talking about the rape(?)/immolation which although horrible, are to be expected within context, and no doubt serves a purpose within the narrative as the tension and heat are turned up on the islanders. No, what I don't understand is that final blow to poor little Lance. 'Your dad was a junkie ... ...get away from me'... Unnecessary cruelty to a child at the hands of one of the good guys (or at least one of the not-psychopathic-sadists). I really don't see what purpose it serves in terms of character development, narrative, atmosphere. It just seems like a bit of a cheap trick. Ennis did something similar in the original series, and it is still the most shocking moment in the entire Crossed series because it happened to a major character, defied the readers expectations and was genuinely surprising. In this case it just seems a little tawdry, a 'look how dark I can be' bit of posturing - ditto with the bizarre and pointless death of the baby in the attack on the cruise ships.

    So, maybe Im a bit oversensitive to the unnecessary suffering of children, but I am a little disappointed, more so, perhaps because I think the writing in wish you were here is miles above pretty much everything else in the crossed universe and that Simon has generally proven himself to be able to handle extreme material with sensitivity and maturity. Im not saying that kids shouldn't suffer and die in the crossed universe (though it is rare), Im saying they shouldn't suffer pointlessly purely for the sake of it.
    • CommentAuthorgragh46
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    I liked that bitch, and that might have been the most brutal killing in this story so far :< (sure, there was more violence in the driftfleet's destruction and some flashbacks, but they were a bunch of unknowns and it didn't have half the impact)

    Well, Skip's family's backstory wasn't expected, I have to say. It does explain the entire "looks more like mum" note Shaky made in that interlude, though. And I understand he was angry and all but a pretty dickish move by Skip telling Lance all that stuff right then and there.

    Seline's cryptic revelations that always get interrupted by something else are starting to be a pain, but I suppose it's safe to say now that Teresa is NOT the leader of the crew, Moses appears to be it. But where is she during all of this, anyway?
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    Good timing. I was just about to copy and paste that text from the previous thread.

    I went looking for that preview description, haven't found it yet.

    Depending on how the initial infection was spread before it suddenly erupted into overt manifestations, there is actually one government that might at least partially survive the initial outbreak and that would be ... North Korea. I really don't like to talk about it in terms of use in fiction given what the people there go through in real life but from the possible rules of this universe, there's a large number of people who've never come into contact with outsiders. It might even survive the initial outbreak largely intact.

    I think it's possible that stories set in North Korea, Cuba, and Switzerland have potential due to particular interesting features about each particular country.
    • CommentAuthorRadBrony
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    Argh just too damn bad lets get some more action here more guns! More blood! More Tears! (Couple of ponies) to be honest some chapters just skip to much not to show what happens to this person and that. Need more time stop the rushing, make this one hella of a badass match. Let's see body fluids are not that strong enough anymore through out the years so the crossed infection is getting weaker on the healthy non-infected. Infection still deadly since it's weak it might take days or months to be fully infected. Oh oh oh can't guess what if (since the infection is getting weaker) the infected slowly gets Uninfected. Ahhh yes YES YES! Then! More shooting and more Fighting! Enough of the boring old talk crap! Bring in the big plans!
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    @ gragh46

    In all seriousness, the Über-Crossed around Cava might effectively be a collective run by committee and a degree of group consensus. Anarchy as the word was originally derived, not necessarily smashing things up in a wanton orgy of destruction (though there is plenty of that too and literally at that) but as in 'anarchia' = 'without leaders' (from the ancient Greek).
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    Crossed: the one time in the multiverse when North Korea is the least bad option.

    Though they would still have to contend with the hordes smashing against the DMZ from the south as well as the Chinese Crossed trying to get over the Yalu...
    • CommentAuthorRadBrony
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    @Babu Dhakal

    Woooo sounds interesting hehehehe wonder what Japs are up to!
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    Judging by the "Gore Angels" arc, the Japs are busy killing, eating and raping each other. Like the rest of the world.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    You can't really easily Zerg rush the DMZ. Even without the multitude of land mines, it has actually turned into quite a nature reserve because it's been ... well ... demilitarised. Hence it's fairly difficult to traverse.

    The whole country would be too difficult to completely fortify in its entirety, so it would have to be penetrated at some point, also since foreigners are allowed in Pyongyang, there could have been a spontaneous outbreak there on C-Day. However, there'd be a lot of places where people would never have been exposed to outsiders as they're not allowed to travel there, so at the very least, there would be a lot of places like the fort in WYWH that would hold out for a while at least.

    The Chinese border to the north would be a lot trickier, they might hold out for a while there if it's rush a mad rush with no planned attack but given that people have always been going back and forth undetected over that border, once any thinkers come into play, all bets are off. Presumably someone could sneak across.

    I really don't like to bring them up in this context but the labour camps would be another area totalling hundreds of thousands of people that could in theory escape initial infection and maybe even hold out for a while given how remote and inaccessible some of them are.

    Add to that how heavily militarised the country is and how restricted movement is, there's a chance the country could largely escape the effects for a while at least. There could be an interesting story about how the very nature of the regime and the geography of the country helped its survival ... for a while at least.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    As for Japan, there are some very interesting, very small communities off the beaten track that might make it for a while. Niijima Island (Tokyo Prefecture) might be a candidate for a Cava equivalent, there's a lot of even smaller and more remote islands in Japan than that.

    Getting back to the UK (technically) Pitcairn Island has a good chance too.
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    The Izu and Ogasawara Islands would indeed be good candidates for a Japanese Cava. Such a refuge would probably have a mixture of Japanese people and American military personnel, likely US Navy.

    Then there is Yonaguni, one of the Yaeyama Islands and Japan's westernmost inhabited island. It only has about 1,700 people, so they might have a chance provided any local outbreak was immediately contained and stamped out.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    Overall, I think the Crossed wiping out all of humanity would be ultimately dull but also unlikely. The creators seem way ahead of me on this point from reading the synopses of the different Badland arcs, there's lots of small groups that have survived, even years into the outbreak. These would only be a small fraction of the total that are covered. Also, since they seem to be mostly US and UK centric, we haven't even touched on most of the rest of the world.

    I like to think that even though the tagline is 'no hope', in spite of itself, it's still going to be there for the few people who survive it (and by few, I'd think many thousands worldwide at least).

    It's a fun thought exercise at least.
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    Just more of the up's and down's you come to expect from WYWH. This week was definitely more intense on the emotional front. Was reading a previous thread and shared the wonder about what had happened to the Aussies boat. Well now we know.
    Man alive. The Crossed really aren't wanting them to leave are they?

    @Shan, I think you're right. Committee or some kind of twisted church council. Teresa may be the figurehead. Whilst Moses dishes out the punishment/intimidation.

    Looking forward to the next chapter.
    • CommentAuthorBigSven
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    Seems like a "society" whose only food strategy is raiding stores and eating other people would dwindle quickly. Have you ever been to N. Scotland? There's fuckall to eat. Teeming hordes more than one winter out seems unlikely.
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    This episode is going to be stuck in my head for awhile. Fuck.
    • CommentAuthorgragh46
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    Well, technically the Crossed shouldn't last for longer than a winter. I mean, most of them run around the place naked, they don't seem to care much about their hygiene and all. However, all the stories are consistent on how the bastards actually manage to survive through harsh weather by entering in a weird low-metabolism state. I suppose they also have some other oddity that allows them to survive on little to no food. After all we don't really know what the hell are the crossed exactly (the upcoming Ennis arc might help with that, and I have mixed feelings about finally being explained the truth about C-day).

    The idea of Moses and Teresa (and possibly Ashoke before he died) being some kind of comittee is interesting. I guess we'll have to wait for Seline to tell us some more cryptic wisdom to find out, though.

    And it just occured to me, could Jackie's fiery death be a (more) twisted version of the inquisitorial burnings of witches, done in order to show the heathens and heretics what happens when you offend God? It would fit the twisted religious theme Moses has going on (Praise, Amen, that stuff)
    • CommentAuthorJimothy
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
    I like the witch burning idea, but they've tried overly religious crossed before in the Amanda arc and it ended up being one of the weaker stories. I like the way that Teresa is written, where her motivations are more focus on Shaky than God. The committee idea is cool and makes sense considering Teresa is not completely in control. She does seem to be at the head of the crossed though. Some of the crossed have even carved little x's over their plus.

    Before this, I really liked Skip. All Lance has now are the friendly residents of Selfish Island to take care of him.

    Theory: Cat piss lady is next

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