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    • CommentAuthorDilo
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
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    No one else thinks that Moses might be keeping Teresa uncrossed like the firie dude did with nerdlinger!?

    Karma's a bitch isn't it! And I can see someone who's a douchebag dropping the kid light a hot rock after listening to and watching that show. This world is broken beyond repair - no happy endings for anyone!
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    Absolutely the most memorable episode.

    Light it up.
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    @Dilo

    Unlikely, as Aoileann was shown speaking with the Crossed font in Seline's flashback.

    It's funny the Crossed font, really. Personally, whenever I read it I imagine that the person's voice is otherwise normal (except when they're shouting), but it's just the content of their speech that's fucked up, e.g. I could imagine a Crossed Sir Humphrey from "Yes Minister" still having the same voice, only his dialogue is even weirder and more incomprehensible than normal...
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
     (11268.24)
    @ gragh46

    I also think a lack of hygiene and disease would do a lot of Crossed in very quickly as well. From what I've heard, the series does knock the survivalists and those with plans to strike back but what would work would be a small group of scientists or even regular people letting loose cholera or even just very common diarrheal diseases like norovirus or rotaviruses. Ironically, due to the vaccination scares, measles would also have a big impact. I reckon natural disease would wipe out most of the Crossed fairly fast.

    As there's now no natural immunity and few vaccinated people, if someone in one of the places still storing it got it out, that could help fight the Crossed. As there's very few places though (Just one or a few labs in the US and Russia) and it's relatively hard to spread, measles or polio would be a better bet. Interestingly enough, if society collapsed, polio would erupt from its handful of places it's been bottled into and run rampant (they're busy hosing down an outbreak this year that suddenly leaped out across Africa and the Middle East after being bottled up in just Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan). Measles is especially virulent, being able to be spread over the air over many metres.

    So, that could be something, instead of your action man with the magic bullet solution (here's looking at you World War Z movie not book), a group of regular people with the basic forces of nature and science pulling off a big hit (whose results won't be seen for months at least).
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2014
     (11268.25)
    I think we should cut Skip a bit of slack for now (and I'm not saying that as an Australian) because he's probably in shock.

    Really, if we analyse it, the one with the consistently self serving behaviour (that has even led to people being killed many, many times) over a very long period of time and hence deserving of our opprobrium more than anyone else is you know who ...
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2014
     (11268.26)
    It's been shown that the Crossed can survive hellish injuries for a while that in normal folks would kill them straight away. I tend to think whatever has caused the crossed contagion, it has not only caused the mental changes but also physical ones. Probably some sort of 'super soldier' serum that went drastically wrong, hopefully some answers will be forthcoming in the Patient Zero arc.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2014
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    It could just be the adrenaline talking.
    • CommentAuthorfenrir07
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2014
     (11268.28)
    IIRC the crossed were meant to be a sort of "monster" that you could not make a deal with. Today teenage girls fall in love with vampires but if I got it right the idea was that that would never happen to the totally outrageous crossed.

    Crossed stories seem to build on the foundation that there is no hope and no fixed positions can hold against the fairly unorganised crossed. Non-crossed can die or run and die tired. Any sort of 'strikeback' is impossible or pointless.
    I have a bit difficult to see how the rag tag crossed could defeat even small groups of organised non-crossed. In 1914 it became obvious that firepower beats the charge, even if the charge is pressed home with suicidal bravery .

    The crossed do basically not look after themselves, tend to operate in smallish groups, and generally seem to be predictable. It seems to me a battle between crossed an non-crossed would be a onesided affair. So, the crossed need the authors help - smarter, more orginised crossed, stupid, selfish non-crossed etc.

    As for Cava it seems to ge a sort of WWII Jewish Ghetto.
    "There is no hope. There is no help. There is no escape. There is only the Nazis."

    I personally have a very hard time accepting the whole no-hope, no-resistance-pays-off concept - how can there be no hope...? ;-)
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    @gragh46, Shan

    I'm reaching into the dark depths of my crossed memory banks here and I miiiiight be making this next bit up, but part of me remembers that way back in the series it was mentioned that unsanitary conditions seem to have no effect on the crossed. As in, I think it's safe to assume that the crossed have some advanced immunity against the bacteria and other viruses. Maybe this was mentioned in the original Ennis series? Or maybe I made that horse shit up to validate their resilience. I can't be fucked to fan through looking for that one sentence in a 10 issue arc, but one day when I revisit the entire series when I'm shut-in for a weekend I will be on the lookout for this clue.

    Regardless, they walk around half naked, barefoot, and covered with open wounds. I think that if their immune systems were as easily compromised as ours, with all of the raping and blood/fluid exchange going on by the crossed, a major virus (HIV or other) would have swept through the crossed community and wiped them out in droves already.

    @No Fear

    I like your theory. I've thought about the C virus a lot too. Super soldier experiment is worthy of consideration but alternately perhaps it could've been a viral cure gone awry, sort of like the cause of the monsters in the 2007 I Am Legend film. In fact, I often compare the crossed to the monsters from that film. I find them very similar in terms of durability, strength, and total disregard for self preservation... except the crossed still resemble uninfected humans are are slightly more coherent than the monsters trying to kill Will Smith.

    I'm a firm believer of the 'go somewhere cold and wait it out' theory of monster apocalypse survival. I want a monster-apoca-survival-horror story to one day begin with this paragraph: "Water crystallizes when frozen. Water molecules shift to new positions when transitioning to the frozen, crystal state... which in turn would destroy a soft piece of tissue that houses this water. Say... flesh for instance. Since we humans are primarily composed of water, freezing a brain or any other major organ is as effective as a well placed shotgun blast. A very slow-motion shotgun blast." And then the story will go on to display how my theory can completely go to shit, rather quickly. Oh wait... I think they did that with the first Badlands arc. Dang.
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    **Also, I'm only comparing the physical aspects of the monsters from the 2007 hollywood bastardization of Richard Matheson's characters to the crossed monsters. For the record, before I am tarred and feathered for bringing up that comparison.
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    @VoteForDuvall

    About Crossed immunity to unsanitary conditions and bacteria; I remember this quote from Harry in The Fatal Englishman, when Father Dennis asked him whether the bioweapons at Porton Down would even work on the Crossed:

    "They die of the cold, they'll die of the plague."

    So Harry and his pals at least were convinced that the weapons would work on the Crossed, and that they indeed die of ordinary diseases. Since they had been surviving for five years, and may have known more about the Crossed plague than anyone else still alive (due to them having served as Gordon Brown's security detail, hence likely having access to whatever information the British government had), I'd say they were a reliable source.

    ...

    Why oh why didn't they go ahead with their bioweapon plan? It's not as if dying of bioweapons would be any worse a fate for the poor sods than being bugger-killed by the Crossed!

    Of course, the Crossed stories and the strengths and weaknesses of the Crossed seem to vary from writer to writer...
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    An almost unbearable episode - well done Si!

    The death wasn't shocking but Skip's reaction was heartbreaking & shows a very realistic (& disturbing) insight into step parenthood. After all there is no guarantee that you'll fall 'in love' with your new partners child is there?

    Really looking forward to the return of Harry, Jock, Taff & Paddy in March. I expect 'full on' SAS mega violence on an epic scale with tea breaks as necessary.
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    I wonder if Ennis will show again what happened to Harry's family, and the aftermath?

    It was one of the most heart-breaking moments in all of the Crossed stories...
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2014
     (11268.34)
    HIV and the usual suspects aren't the big killers from a public health point of view, when I was studying public health, it was the mundane things like the diarrheal diseases and respiratory infections that did people in, especially in unsanitary conditions like war and disaster zones especially.

    The bioweapons plan wouldn't have worked though, blowing up a building wouldn't spread it, chain of transmission is a bit more difficult than that. In fact, I don't think there's anything chemical or otherwise that would act as a self destruct button for the whole of the UK like what I've heard the plot describes but it's all good in the interests of the story.
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    @ Babu Dhakal
    I'm going to go back and reread those first three issues of Badlands to see what you are referring to. I loved that arc anyways.

    @ Shan
    True but you probably weren't studying the public health of a populous of amped up rape cannibals, heheh. Just saying that that much blood and fluid exchange, I mean like a ridiculously gratuitous amount as the crossed partake in, is likely to introduce more than a stomach or respiratory infection. I'm not expert, though.

    I dunno. I still think the crossed are more immune to basic infections than a normal human.
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    Words fail me.

    This entire season... What is the word for something that is breathtakingly beautiful. Magnificent. Now what is the word for the inverse of that? Like the inverse of a very large number is a very tiny thing, close to zero. This is like the inverse of something magnificently beautiful. It's like magnificent ugliness.
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    The fuck, Si? This was some truly fucked up shit. Brilliant, but fucked.

    We are definitely looking at the last WYWH volume. Cavites are dying by the legion. Also, where the fuck is that gatekeeper.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2014
     (11268.38)
    @ VoteForDuvall

    In unsanitary conditions, especially post disaster, it is gastrointestinal (diarrheal) and respiratory infections by far are the biggest killer. If you look at cholera in Haiti post the earthquake, it ran rampant. It also seems mostly like it was introduced from outside as Haiti had been free for more than a century. Blood borne illnesses just can't spread as rapidly and as easily as things that go through the air and water (HIV as one example is relatively hard to catch, even something like Ebola has its limits, partly because it kills too quickly to spread very far).

    I don't see how the Crossed virus (I'm going to go with virus) would confer any additional immunity, I hope they don't do that. I find it really annoying with a lot of the handwavium applied in zombie scenarios to have an infective agent that somehow isn't like every previous infective agent ever even with basic principles.

    @ marsrover21

    Maybe they're with the Keymaster?
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    @marsrover 21 & Shan

    Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
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    @ Shan

    Fair enough. Clearly you are well versed on disease, more so than I am or care to be, but even still -- it doesn't seem like the crossed are falling to gastrointestinal or respiratory infections either, so they might just be resilient enough to withstand the unsanitary conditions they've created. And I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but you're still using "normal" real world post-disaster examples. I say "normal" compared to the fictional blood bathing, arse raping, cannibalistic disaster scenario in discussion here.

    Bottom line, doesn't really matter anyway. The crossed are still out there living it up without a care in the world. This is the beauty of fiction.

    Now... time to reread EVERY Crossed book that I have to see if there is any merit to my hunch at all... and to check out what Babu was referring to in the first three issues of Badlands.

    Thanks for entertaining the topic with me.

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