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    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2014
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    Looking forward to picking up 50 - 53 at the weekend (I think #54 is released tomorrow). Weird question, has there been any mention of Gordon Brown's family?
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    No, there hasn't yet. There's his wife Sarah and his sons John Macaulay (b. 17 October 2003) and James Fraser (b. 18 July 2006), who has cystic fibrosis. Logic dictates that once the shit hit the fan their security detail would have evacuated them from wherever they happened to be at the time to the nearest safe location. Since this is Crossed, however... I predict that the Prime Minister is about to have a BSOD moment in the near future. :(
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2014 edited
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    Oh dear, poor Mr. Brown really is getting the short end of the stick, isn't he? Although now I'm wondering how he's going to die (and it's most definitely a matter of when and not if). It's gonna be pretty interesting to see how far Garth goes when it comes to killing a real life person in one of his stories. Is it going to be brief and respectful? Or bollocks bitingingly mad and excessive?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2014
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    Oh! Speaking of families, how much longer, and under what circumstances, do you think it will take for Harry to go and try to save his family? Judging by the fact that the cross has just surfaced, it won't be much longer before things get bad enough for him to abandon his post.
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2014 edited
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    Well, there is Garth's 303 to go by, where in the end the protagonist assassinates Bush by blowing his head off with a .303 Lee-Enfield rifle (hence the title). No names are mentioned, and Bush's face is never shown, but a blind person could understand who is being referred. Likewise, the assassination occurs off-screen, but the immediate bloody aftermath is shown in all its gory glory. Of course, Garth utterly hates and loathes Bush, so there's that. Somehow, I don't think he actually hates Gordon Brown, if only because Brown was always too awkward and boring to actually hate when he was PM.
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2014 edited
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    Ah yes, Harry's family. I fear we will be revisiting that moment very shortly indeed. I wish there was a tear-jerker section in the Crossed TVtropes page, 'cause that's definitely one of the biggest tear-jerkers in the series so far. And then we learned that Jock and Taff were also family men... it seems Paddy was the only one in the group who was single, so I guess he was fortunate in a sense. Now we know why Jock was so stern and silent most of the time in Fatal Englishman, only softening when he was around the kids. They must have reminded him of his own...

    As for the circumstances in which Harry abandons his post, well the SAS (together with the police) are protecting the bunker, so presumably there's going to be an army of Crossed attacking the place... Let's just hope that if/when the bunker falls, it doesn't fall so ridiculously like NORAD did in Quisling.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2014
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    @Babu Dhakal

    "Stand to."

    I get chills every time I reach that line.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2014
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    Well the latest issue of Badlands is out, and I swear every time Dr. Chopra says something about the virus, I become more and more terrified:

    "You look at it close up and you start thinking about rewriting the periodic table. It's like something from another... existence."
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2014
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    But anyways, going off of Dr. Chopra's theories, I found this exchange of dialogue between her and Harry to be the most interesting thing about issue 54:

    Dr. Chopra: "I'm starting to wonder if it's something in the D.N.A., something that was there from the beginning.

    Harry: "In ours?"

    Dr. Chopra: "The planet's."

    I remember when I went to the Avatar booth at the Phoenix Comicon and I talked to Jacen Burrows about Crossed. He said he had no inkling of what Garth's origin of the virus was, but he himself had a theory that it was caused by the Earth purging humanity to save itself. While I personally don't think that that's the exact cause, the exchange above lends a bit of credence to it.

    However, that's not to say I'm completely throwing Jacen's theory into the trash. In fact, it was key in establishing the basis of my own theory for the Crossed virus: I think that the virus is all of humanity's collective evil given a body of its own; which is obvious if we take a look back. Patient One's description of it as it shows him images of genocide, the fanaticism Harry saw in the Crossed; that's all us.

    "But how did our demons get a body of their own?" This is both the million dollar question and where my theory gets a little crazy. It's fiction. The only reason the Crossed virus was born was because it's in a fictional world that's not bound by our reality. I know that's a little more Grant Morrison-esque than most people would like, but to try and explain the virus through science would be futile, and to lay the blame with a supernatural entity would destroy the theme that Garth Ennis has carefully constructed over the course of years.

    In essence; while we may never know where the Crossed virus comes from, I think we will most definitely learn more about what it is.
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      CommentAuthorkzootron
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2014
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    Bout to read Badlands #52,53 and 54 right now for the first time. So excited. Just read the 2014 Annual. In the annual, Isaac was Des's son right?
    • CommentAuthorgragh46
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014
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    ... Actually, now that you mention it... it does make a lot of sense :O Now I need to check that one again, I seem to recall that Isaac's family was shown in some of the panels
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014
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    @gragh46

    Yessir, Isaac was indeed the son that Des left behind.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014 edited
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    I'm certain I've seen in more than one interview that it's been said with certainty that the initial cause of the Crossed virus (the very beginning of the beginning) will never be revealed. As I've said before too, I wouldn't be surprised if even Garth Ennis didn't know for sure either in the same way it's possible that Max Brooks doesn't know what happened to the North Koreans in the book of World War Z. Sometimes any explanation is never going to be as good as the mystery of not knowing, there just are some cases where any explanation no matter how good is going to be a bit of a let down.

    Also, it gives us maximum scope for fun endless speculation. How about this for a theory? There's an organic component (the identified virus and mode of transmission) but also a supernatural component (like the Spanish Rec film series). The initial spontaneous appearance being just one person per country (I've heard the UK, Russia and Australia - Adelaide of all places) could be due to ... take your pick: Satan, equivalent entity or entities from other religions, Cthulhu and the Great Old Ones, mankind's own inherent evil made manifest etc and after the initial spark, it follows your traditional disease vector and epidemiology (eg: after the initial start, you get hit with or ingest any infected material you become infected and a carrier unless it's severed immediately if possible, otherwise you don't).

    The 'supernaturnal' component could also give the organic component 'special' powers, because there's no virus on earth that instantly gets absorbed through skin like that (they said as much in that preview of Badlands #18) and immediately converts/infects a person like that. Possibly the closest thing we have to it is Ebola, which is 'only' about 90% lethal and takes hours to days.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014
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    @Shan

    But Crossed is about the evil of mankind, not the evil of god or another supernatural entity; that's what Preacher was for. If the supernatural somehow got involved, the implication would be that humanity is completely innocent here, which completely contradicts, well... everything.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014 edited
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    Not necessarily. When I use the term supernatural, it could include things that science hasn't explained yet; a lot of things we called supernatural in the past aren't now because we can explain them with science.

    Also, it's possible in the Crossed Universe (and ours too I suppose) that things we put labels on such as God, Satan etc, for all we know are a manifestation of the good and evil side inside ourselves. So it's quite possible that the good in us creates order and the civilised world over chaos and when the balance tips the other way too far ... well we get this. So it could be supernatural in the sense that it's something we can't explain yet. For example there's still so much we don't know about brain chemistry and electrical signals in the brain just for starters. A fiction novel that uses this much better than my attempts here is "The Dark" by James Herbert (highly recommend a read).

    Then of course at least some of the major world religions believe in supernatural entities but also in free will, so there could be God, gods or other and we could also be totally guilty.

    On the other hand, it could be quite funny if the reason is something as mundane as the atmospheric concentration of Carbon Dioxide gets too high and then the switch goes off when it falls back down again.

    Anyway, we're never going to know for sure which gives us some scope to keep bouncing theories around for a while yet.

    Edit: I guess when I brought up gods in the first place, there is a school of thought in both fiction and non fiction to varying degrees that gods or more powerful entities come into existence because of us eg: once we got intelligent enough and could think abstractly. So you had good and evil forces depending on our thoughts and behaviours and so on and if things got too unbalanced towards evil, well chaos and mayhem follows. What evil lurks in the heart of men, the shadow knows and all that. If it gets too bad, it becomes manifest and active I guess.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014 edited
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    @Shan

    Hmm, I suppose that makes a sort of sense, but like you said earlier about North Korea in World War Z, I doubt we'll ever get to truly see the virus's origins. Although if Garth Ennis somehow manages to show it in an enjoyable and believable manner, I will kneel down and worship him as a god among men.

    On a different note: Does anyone know what happened to the thread for the latest chapter is? That was one heck of a chapter, and I'm just dying to see what people had to say about it.
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      CommentAuthorkzootron
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014
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    When Chopra mentions rewriting the periodic table is what grabs my attention. The first page of #50 makes mention of the thing that is inside patient zero "felt new like steel, yet ancient like a dagger". I predict that the patient zero interrogation will result in a complete success. (sarcasm) And was it me or did it totally appear like patient zero was fighting with every inch of his being to not let that twisted grin come to the surface? It instantly went away when he realized someone was in the room. I can feel it coming, and Alistair is going to see it first hand.
    • CommentAuthortr0r
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014
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    I do hope Gordon Brown goes down fighting or with dignity. I did always like the guy.
    And he does seem to have become slightly less dithery once he realsied that Uncle Sam wasn't in charge any more.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014 edited
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    @kzootron

    Speaking of Alistair, he really seems to be under the impression that this situation can be reversed, doesn't he? That gets me wondering, what does everyone else seem to think will happen at this point? From the looks of things, everyone in charge seems to have come to the realization that the world's over and are distracting themselves by minimizing the damage, and everyone below them is just ignoring the situation by following their orders to the letter.
    • CommentAuthortr0r
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014
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    I figure the "Interrogation" Is going to end badly and unleash the Crossed into the bunker.
    Now given that the world isn't quite too badly nuked in the other Crossed arcs, I'd wager the plan to destroy the bombers works, but our 2 brave RAF crew wont make it out. Obviously the 4 guys make it out, but how remains to be seen.

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