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    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014
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    @tr0r

    Agreed. There's no way that what comes next will be pretty. Judging from the clues that Patient Zero's meditation is the key to keeping the "voice" at bay, I think that torturing him will only drive him into accepting whatever it has to offer. While they might have suits, I'm not sure anyone, even trained soldiers, will be prepared to deal with a frenzied proto-Crossed in close quarters.
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    Interesting that in this story they are saving the world from nuclear WMD while in the earlier (later in the timeline) story they are thinking about releasing biological WMD.

    Irony, and maybe regret.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 29th 2014
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    @JohnnyRocket324

    It just goes to show how desperate the survivors have become.
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    @JohnnyRocket324

    Although really, even at this early point, what is there left to save? One might even argue that having a full nuclear exchange would be preferable to what happens in canon (Crossed running amok, hunting down the survivors etc.) and it might have been sort of a "mercy kill". And we still haven't heard anything about the British Vanguard submarines: Where are they? Are they all manned by the uninfected? What were their final orders, and so on.

    And yes, I fully agree with everyone that Patient Zero's upcoming "interrogation" will end just splendidly for everyone involved. Seriously, that SAS major should have just knocked Alistair down on his ass and gone back to his duties.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeMay 30th 2014 edited
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    I'm sure this must have been put up before but for ease of finding it:

    UK Trident Programme

    (I'm guessing depending on what was happening in 2008, one would definitely be out at sea while 0-2 might also be out of port. Any not at sea would probably have been overrun like the other military installations I guess. In general what could be an interesting story in any scenario like this which is almost never covered would be what happens to all of those nuclear submarines and aircraft carrier groups that are out at sea).

    The principle of operation is known as continuous at-sea deterrence, which means that at least one submarine is always on active patrol. A second submarine is normally undergoing maintenance and the remaining two are in port or on training exercises.

    During a patrol, the submarine is required to remain silent for three months and is allowed to make contact with the base only in a dire emergency. The submarine navigates using mapped contour lines of the ocean floor and patrols a series of planned "boxes" measuring several thousand square miles. A 1000 metre aerial trails on the surface behind the submarine to pick up incoming messages. Intelligence is constantly relayed to the vessel, giving details of shipping movements and potentially hostile aircraft or submarines in the area.

    Most of the crew never know where they are and no one on board would know which targets were selected.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeMay 30th 2014
     (11289.226)
    @ JohnnyRocket324

    I wouldn't worry in the overall scheme of things at least. In this scenario, even though most people are doomed, the human race (albeit drastically reduced) realistically would survive this. If we could survive the Toba Supervolcano, at least enough people will survive this for the human race to continue and maybe even bounce back one day.
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeMay 30th 2014
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    Whenever I think about subs, I think about a Crossed crewed Destroyer looking for fun.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2014
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    After re-reading what we have of the Thin Red Line so far, I noticed something. It's small, and probably very noticeable to everyone else (I'm a bit slow on the take), but the narration looks like it's actually coming from Patient Zero himself. It seems omnipotent and it is in past tense, but it cuts off whenever something happens to him, and, most tellingly, breaks into moments where he criticizes himself. This line in particular being the one that got me to think about this theory:

    "You fool. What have you done, you fool? They loved you."
    • CommentAuthorBigSven
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2014
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    Seems pretty obvious that he slaughtered his family.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2014
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    @BigSven

    Without a doubt, although I wonder if they were infected when he did it.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014 edited
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    @Dannykat

    I wonder if it would ever matter as they likely would have acted like the paramedics and cops who initially came in contact with him. Seems a much more passive stage of the "virus" or whatever it is. Since they are out of worldly explanations, maybe it isn't a virus at all, at least as we know it.

    Reading Warren Ellis' "Trees" this weekend had me thinking maybe something similar caused the Crossed outbreak. As for its origins, I am down to either that or some mad genius cooking it up in conjunction with some type of worldwide network that could ensure "infected" people were placed in the exact locations they needed to be to spread it effectively.

    The Russian base where they found a body in the complex's water system stands out a bit because that seems to be a purposeful plant at the perfect time to get a fleet of bombers in the air, at the exact time two squads were training together. That sounds like more than coincidence to me. Everywhere else, so far, it seems like some Patient Zero just stumbled into a town or whatever to get things rolling.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    @Haggy

    While the two children may have been passive as Patient Zero turned them into "human paste" in a bathtub, the narration, "In that last pathetic instant as she hammered at him uselessly, shattered wrists making empty mittens of her hands," implies that his wife wasn't.

    As for the Russian bombers, I think that truly is nothing more than a coincidence. Sure, the way the pilots acted may have been different than other Crossed (their training would make them do so), but if it was planned, a situation like this would have happened in every country armed with nuclear weaponry.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    So does anyone think we'll see exactly what happened to Patient Zero's family? I'm kind of sick of guessing at it.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    @Dannykat

    I dunno. The incident at the Russian base really seems out of place in comparison to the other events we've had glimpses of. Why did the British pilots go loony when the Russian ones acted like they had been programmed? I guess the British villagers who took the dive kind of acted in a similar way though.

    And on the Russian base, it appears that a infected body was stategically put in the one place that would ensure that the most people were infected whereas elsewhere, it seems more or less left to chance. And maybe there was a plant/Patient Zero like this at a base with nukes in every county, shit just didn't go down like it did on the Russian base. Make me wonder what actually happened in New Dehli now.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014 edited
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    @Haggy

    But see, it's out of place precisely because it was a coincidence. Patient Zero in Russia appears to have killed himself similarly to how the village Crossed did it, and the infected pilots went ahead with their training. Nothing more, nothing less. Otherwise, how is NORAD still in control if a Patient Zero could have just materialized there? The only plausible answer is that it's a coincidence.

    You also forgot that the pilots in Britain were not piloting aircraft with nuclear armaments. If you think about it, all the pilots are doing the same thing (causing as much destruction with what they have) but are just going about the most efficient way of doing it.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    @Dannykat

    Good points. Maybe I am looking too hard to find some undiscussed nugget that will help flesh things out a little more. It seems like Ennis is giving us a lot of mist that will likely go nowhere, and he is enjoying it. And I am sure this has been mentioned before but didn't Ennis say we'd never really know what started it all?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    @Haggy

    Aye, I think he did, but I simply cannot remember where he said it. I'll look for a link.
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    @Haggy

    Indeed he did. But he never said we wouldn't find out what the virus is like and how it operates, which he has shown in Thin Red Line. Likewise how the virus could have spread so far so fast. I always look forward to the scenes with Dr. Chopra. I hope her death will be quick...
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    Ya, I figure we'll at least learn more about how it operates.
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014 edited
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    Also, this is just me trying to be philosophical, but it seems always when I turn on the news or read the papers that the concept that the Crossed "came from us" and our evil is further reinforced for me. I mean consider the following things that have happened lately:

    - Boko Haram kidnapping 300 schoolgirls in Nigeria and turning them into sex slaves/forcibly marrying them/brainwashing them, in addition to all the other bad shit they do
    - Civil war in South Sudan, with thousands dead
    - Ethnic cleansing in the Central African Republic
    - Two young Indian girls raped and hanged by their rapists (just the latest in a long list of similar outrages in India)
    - A pregnant Pakistani woman stoned to death by her own relatives

    And these examples are just a drop in the bucket. For all that people are shocked over the cruelty, brutality and violence in Crossed - or Game of Thrones, for that matter - real life never ceases to prove that what we see on TV or read from the comics is nothing compared to what goes on in reality.

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