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    • CommentAuthorgragh46
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    I'd say Ennis is going for the Lost approach: bring in 10 new questions for each answer he gives you because deep down, he doesn't really have a clue as to how the hell does his own invention work. Unlike that show, at least we don't really need to know what is the virus in itself so that this story can be enjoyable. At least in this particular arc, since the characters are cool enough to keep it going without us needing to know all the details of the infection, and the entire "we don't really know what he hell is going on" vibe actually works in favor of the arc. The one thing that seems clear enough is that the virus has no cure, as stated by Dr. Chopra ("we'd have to rewrite the periodic table" and similar). I join the list of people hoping for a quick, relatively painless death for her.

    Alistair's idea of interrogating Patient Zero is really damn brilliant. And probably the reason why Harry and his group started rambling around the country and unsuccessfuly trying to go back to their families before starting to ramble around. The only two characters whose fates seem kind of uncertain to me right now are the 2 RAF soldiers. They'll probably succeed in their mission, and then what? try to go back to land and be slaughtered? suicide? safe landing in the middle of nowhere and possible characters of a future arc? Mysteries, mysteries...
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    It was mentioned in #54 that the bomber wouldn't have enough fuel or range to make the return journey, but that they could eject and wait for the air-sea rescue units to show up (easier for them to look for two people rather than a whole squadron). My list of Tom and Jackie's (the RAF aircraftman and -woman) likeliest fates:

    1) Cruise missile (I presume that will be the vehicle for their bomber to deliver the nuke) malfunctions, forcing them to make a kamikaze run against the infected Russian bombers in order to blow them up
    2) Nuke the bombers, turn around and land safely in Britain, Iceland, Ireland or fucking Greenland, proceed to get bugger-killed
    3) Nuke the bombers, figure out that there's nothing to go back to, crash the bomber into the ocean/take poison (like that American general in the movie "Fail Safe").
    4) Nuke the bombers, turn around, eject and end up in a dinghy in the middle of the North Atlantic. Their final fates left open, though I doubt there would be any air-sea rescue units left at that point.
    5) Same as 4), except they are picked up by an A.S.R. unit. That's the good news. The bad news is that they're Crossed.
    6) Same as 5), except the A.S.R. unit are all normal. Final fates left open.

    And my number one, ass-pull solution for the two:

    7) They eject, end up in a dinghy, but instead of an A.S.R. unit, they're picked up by one of the four RN Vanguard nuclear subs, that just happens to surface next to them. ^_^

    Oh, and if this passage from Jackie in #50 ain't foreshadowing, I don't know what is:

    Nowadays I doubt we've got anything to bust a dam with, unless you're thinking of tactical nukes. And if it gets to the point where we're chucking those about...well.
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    Was there confirmation the Russian corpse was Patientsky 0 or just figuring? It could always have been a communicable sot who wandered that way otherwise.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    @MrBogey

    Actually, that's a good point. I'm not entirely sure if it is Patientsky Zero, but that's probably just the level of ambiguity that Garth wants, isn't it?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    Speaking of Tom, the RAF pilot, does anyone else think he looks eerily similar to Liam Neeson?
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    @Dannykat

    Now that you mentioned it, yeah. FWIW Jackie reminds me of Angelina Jolie.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2014
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    @Babu Dhakal

    Huh, weird. She really does look like Angelina Jolie. I guess I must have been too focused on Tom to notice.
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2014 edited
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    @ baku and his post from page 12. you realize that this so called horror acts that our modern society depicts as gruesome 100 years ago or 200 were normal and entertaining. just some hundred years ago beheading, hanging or other executions were held in public places and men women and children attended like was fucking blockbuster movie. just check out the history book and you have too many examples of kings who did this for fun. Vlad the impaler, Henry the 8, etc. burning witches, inquisition, that was common practice. nobody really cared. you think that if 100 or 200 years ago somebody kidnapped 200 girls and raped them somebody would give a fuck? even nowadays nobody gives a fuck. some media shocking news until something else happens and everybody forgets about it. just the civilized word considers this shocking. and not so long time ago also the civilized word did the same. in every war things like this happen. kosovo, yugoslavia, you name it. we only consider this things to be shocking coz the media and movies tells us so. rambo is good, russians are evil scums from hell and are satan's minions. he has the right to slaughter millions of them and everybody knows that russians/vitnamese/north koreans/insert any other nationality don t have souls, parents, wives, children. the reality is that 90% of ppl on earth will kill somebody if no repercussions will came. if you want to take it from the religious side. god said that you should not kill, but of course ppl turned that around and twisted even gods commandments, its self defence = no sin coz god forgot to add that but we are smart and realized that god permits killing if its self defense or war. all the fucking armies on this planet have their religion priests blessing and sin forgiveness because is for a good cause. we as a race always find some excuses to kill each other. and if we don't find a good excuse we do it for fun, boredom, or just because is cool and gets us street cred and bitches



    also from #53 the guy said that russian soldiers acted like robots and marched to the bombers. also patient 0 hears voices in his head.
    this came up to my mind


    go to 2:00 if you ve played ra2 you will understand what i was thinking about
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2014 edited
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    @111111

    I did say that the examples I mentioned were but a drop in the bucket, though a drop in the ocean would be a more appropriate metaphor. We as a species are capable of incredible acts of altruism and kindness, but we can be complete assholes as well. That actually leads to an interesting question, though. Everyone knows about the Complete Monster trope on TVtropes, people who are the most depraved and lacking any redeeming features. But can the Crossed really be considered Complete Monsters? Yes, they do horrible and monstrous things - in fact everything they do, no matter how petty, is calculated to cause as much physical and emotional damage as possible to the victim. Recall the words that an infected Patrick uttered to his mother: "Mommy, YOU FUCKING CUNT!" His choice of words was not accidental, as Cindy had spent the entire series trying not only to shelter him from the horror as much as possible, but also making sure that no adults would utter profanities in his presence, all as part of an attempt to raise him into being a better person than his father was. However, what Crossed Patrick didn't count on was Cindy being determined enough to instantly terminate him if he ever became infected. In that sense she was similar to Harry in that regard...

    Anyway, what I'm getting at here is that it is often said that an essential part of the human condition is that we can make a choice: we can choose to be good or evil. For example in Clockwork Orange this concept is an important plot point, as the prison chaplain points out that the treatment that has supposedly made Alex "good" hasn't really done so, as the ability to choose has been taken away from him, reducing him to an automaton. Likewise, in Crossed once a person has been infected the ability to choose has also been taken away from him, causing him to only commit horrific acts of evil, with only an extremely few Crossed being able to even moderately control their behavior, and even then just to delay gratification so that greater gratification can be achieved. In all the Crossed stories so far Aoileann is the only Crossed to have expressed any other emotion besides anger and sadistic glee.

    Because of this I claim that the Crossed - dangerous and evil as they are - cannot be considered Complete Monsters, and that the moniker belongs to the non-Crossed who commit monstrous and evil acts, since they, unlike the Crossed, are still able to make a choice.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2014
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    @Babu Dhakal

    Going off of your theory about the Crossed not being "Complete Monsters" -- which is something I agree with and a theory that the series itself seems to support -- where do you think the Alpha-Crossed fit in? We don't know much about their origins (heck, we don't even know if Smokey was a firefighter), but the scant little clues seem to suggest that they were Complete Monsters before they turned. Horsecock for instance had a 1%er badge, which tends to signify that the wearer was a violent criminal. So if the Alpha-Crossed were Complete Monsters before they turned, are they still Complete Monsters after they turn?

    To me it seems as if they would be, since all the virus did to them was give them a whole new world to violate.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2014
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    Maybe the people that weren't monsters before being infected simply cannot hold back the smiling voice but those who were monsters before being infected have some kind of experience with holding that back, successfully or otherwise. Maybe if the brain is contitioned for violence, the cross takes to them differently?
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      CommentAuthorkzootron
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2014
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    Is it me or does Dr. Chopra have massive tits? Come to that, why does every female in the crossed universe have massive tits? Not complaining, just an observation.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2014
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    @Haggy

    Good points, but I don't think the virus itself is the one making them act differently. I got the impression that the Alpha-Crossed themselves are the ones turning the virus to their advantage.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2014
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    Do you think any small titted ladies would survive post-infection? They were probably the first to go, followed by the blacks, who seem to be in short supply in post-infection Earth. Same with the Walking Dead show. For it being based in the US south, there is a noticible lack of black zombies.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2014
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    @kzootron

    The answer is simple: it's the comic book industries' ingrained sexism rearing its ugly head in a misguided attempt improve sales. Although I'm not sure how Avatar doesn't realize that only necrophiliacs are going to be brought in by gems such as this http://teamhellions.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/crossedbadlands09.jpg
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2014
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    @Dannykat

    I assume they would turn it to their advantage if they have some type of control over it and realize the others do not. If they can somewhat control a herd of Crossed, that probably makes for lots more fun.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2014
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    http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Crossed56-regular-2-600x928.jpg?9098e0

    I couldn't help but post this here immediately once I saw it on the solicitations. It looks like my theory on Alistair's decision doing something dreadful to Patient Zero might just be true.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2014
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    Just read #50 - 53, quite possibly my favourite arc so far, and the difference between this and the one before it is noticeable, to put it politely. When Badlands is good (which I think in all honesty is not very often) it's quite brilliant. When it's bad....

    Nothing to do with the series as such but inside the front covers there is a little statement that all the characters portrayed are over 18 years old. Am I missing something?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2014
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    @No Fear

    Pretty much spot on, there is no middle-ground with Badlands. There is only really good, or really terrible. However, I'm not sure what you mean by, "there is a little statement that all the characters are portrayed are over 18 years old". Would you be able to elaborate?
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2014
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    Inside front page of any Avatar book (specifically for this thread it's Badlands I'm looking at), at the bottom, includes the sentence: 'All characters as depicted in this story are over the age of 18'. Obviously, not all characters have been over 18 so wouldn't mind some clarification, if anyone has a clue :-).

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