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    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2014
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    @kzootron

    Aye, this virus, whatever it may be, certainly has powers we never even thought possible. I suppose the question now is why is it holding back? Is an external force stopping it from just spawning in everyone at once, or is it perhaps just choosing to restrain itself to maximize the fun?
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      CommentAuthorkzootron
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2014
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    That's what I was wondering. It's holding back yet very aware of its capabilities. His cross is finally starting to show as well but taking much longer to materialize.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2014
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    @kzootron

    So, if the Crossed virus really is holding back, does this mean that even if humanity fights back and defeats the Crossed it will just resurface again?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2014
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    Heh, there really is no hope.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2014
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    Haven't read 54 or 55 yet. Interesting stuff about the sentient virus. A quick thought but maybe it is just Patient Zero who is telepathic? Whatever, outside of WYWH, best Crossed story so far.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2014
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    @No Fear

    I highly doubt he's telepathic. From Patient Zero's description of this, it's the virus that's showing him these things.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2014
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    Yeah, that's probably right although you could argue that the virus or whatever it is has just unlocked zero's latent telepathic ability. But I doubt it, after all this isn't the X Men.

    Following on from this, has this trait been demonstrated by anyone else? I'm thinking way back in the original series where the policeman had a crossed guy prisoner in the back of his car and Mr Crossed was saying stuff about the cops wife, and someone said they are just saying evil stuff, they (the Crossed) know nothing about your wife. So, basically someone having knowledge of something they couldn't know. If this makes any sense lol.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2014 edited
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    @No Fear

    Oh ya, I totally forgot about the Crossed in the police car. Hmm, I wonder how he fits in, it's not like he was a Patient Zero... or was he?
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      CommentAuthorkzootron
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2014
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    Good point on the crossed in the cop car. The cop tried telling Cindy that the crossed in the backseat knew things about the cops wife but Cindy quickly dismissed it for the more logical explanation: that he saw the cops wedding ring which led him to bring up the wife. But the cop tried saying that he knew "things" about his wife. This is an interesting development indeed. When patient zero began describing all manner of atrocities from the prior century like the Cambodian killing fields or the Indian mutiny that's one thing, or even smelling the people Harry has killed. It all seems explainable. But now patient zero is knowing things that can't be easily explained. I hope I get to see one more exchange between Harry and him before this arch closes.
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJun 16th 2014
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    Some observations after reading #55.
    1.How did the 2nd guy in hazmat suit became crossed? coz in the picture after grabbing the annoying guy with glasses the suit looks intact.
    2.are special service soldiers retarded thugs that go inside a room with a highly contagious person without securing him? Even street thugs when they take somebody for questioning they tie him up to a chair with silver tape, handcuffs, rope whatever. But highly trained soldiers do not because....just because.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 16th 2014 edited
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    1. The first one probably learned from Patient Zero's example and managed to reach underneath his friend's hood.

    2. Their commander sent them in with zero knowledge of the virus, and thus they treated Patient Zero like a normal victim. And who says they weren't going to tie him up? They were probably going to do that right after roughing him up.
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2014
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    going inside in hazmat suits and they have no knowledge of the virus? ok i can believe that nobody told them how the virus is passed and what happens when infected but if somebody puts you in a special suit you don't ask why? and using just common sense and iq if somebody sent you inside a room in hazmat suit you are careful. you can assume that the stuff that the suit that you are wearing and is protecting you from is airborne. and the room is full with it. you don't start punching a guy and risk to damage the suit and contaminate yourself.

    "get the fucking key" - really? somebody keeps a highly contagious person in an unlocked room.
    also this is supposed to be some ultra high tech bunker. no cameras on the corridors and in the interrogation room? nobody monitoring the cameras? no alarm sounded? oh yea 2 soldiers were just infected and eating each others guts in an unlocked room...nothing to see here move along. just a normal day in the bunker.
    i'm no interrogation expert but as i've seen in many movies shouldn;t the interrogation being recorded and some guys being behind the mirror window trying to understand what he is saying or whatever?
    new government interrogation method: send 2 guys to beat the suspect up and if he says something well they will give that information during the launch break and very accurate coz they can beat up a person and pay attention to the guys gestures, tone etc. we are talking here about government trained soldiers not some amateurs that saw a movie and try to be gangsta.
    i'm not trying to be picky but c'mon
    • CommentAuthorgragh46
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2014
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    "going inside in hazmat suits and they have no knowledge of the virus? ok i can believe that nobody told them how the virus is passed and what happens when infected but if somebody puts you in a special suit you don't ask why? and using just common sense and iq if somebody sent you inside a room in hazmat suit you are careful"

    Well, if it serves you as an example, I had a conversation with a friend the other day. Her father worked in the military for a while, and I was telling her that I had considered joining it.

    She "But the army doesn't suit you at all"
    Me: "Why'd you say that?"
    She: "you are not the type that simply follows orders without any questioning at all"
    Me: "Well, that's true"
    She: "...and it's a must when it comes to the army =)"

    So no, they probably didn't ask why, they just proceeded to do exactly as instructed, as retarded as it may seem to us (especially when we know how do things in crossed usually end). As for the other points:
    -keys for the room, that's plain idiocy. But I guess they thought it's two big soldiers, and he looks like a normal, little guy, what could possibly go wrong? (Alistair, a.k.a. the great moron, was in charge here, not the smart miss scientist or even Gordon Brown).
    -Cameras probably don't serve much of a purpose if no one is watching and right now the threat is outside where the infected are and possibly in the room where the angry sadistic infeted guys are, not where the contagious but normal, little man is contained undisturbed (before the moron's plan)
    -Professional interrogation room: This bunker was probably never intended to be a place where one such interrogation would ever take place, hence no preparations for it. Also, Alistair's idiocy and secretism: the more people he involved in this, the more likely it is for someone to tell gordon brown, and for the president to tell him to fuck off and be put under arrest.
    -People checking on the interrogators: like in the previous point, larger amount of people involved = bad for Alistair the mastermind of operation fail. Also, not many normal people enjoy watching how someone is tortured, and if any noises were heard of screaming and violence it'd be assumed it came from the tortures doing their job

    Summary: Nothing that really made me go all "bitch please, this story, same as most horror stories, works on everybody being complete morons"
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2014
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    Well, not having read 55 yet, the psychology of military thinking isn't so much as follow orders without question as it's trust and respect those making them.

    A private knows an NCO has experience and will generally give out orders that keep them alive and succeed. The NCO follows orders that a LT gives but not without question always. They're the ones to engage them in private and work out any problems with orders.

    In most militaries, you see the breakdown in order alongside the breakdown in skill and expertise.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2014
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    @gragh46

    Agreed, and even if someone was watching the cameras, Alistair probably took care of that as well.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2014
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    Thread hit 4 day mark.
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd 2014
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    we have 15 pages of discussions. why is this thread not sticky yet?
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    Someone had mentioned that perhapds there is a supernatural origin for the virus or whatever it is and that may go far in explaining how the infected can survive and get about after they have been disemboweled or have just taken damage that would kill an otherwise normal human. I buy that pain doesn't bother tham like the uninfected but how can they take that much damage and keep going? I mean at some point, organs are going to shut down and all that, right?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    @Haggy

    That's not really what bothers me, since I just chock that up to a lack of self preservation and the incredible amount of will-power they gain from wanting to hurt people. What bothers me is how they seem to never succumb to infections from any other viruses. I mean, these guys do ridiculously unhealthy things (unprotected sex, cannibalism, etc.), yet we've never seen a Crossed die from poor health; it's always been an external influence that's killed them.

    Perhaps it's because (spoilers if you haven't read it) the virus itself is sentient, and thus keeps other infections away so it can do its work. Maybe.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    During the Quisling arc, Oliver concludes that many Crossed will die of disease/natural causes etc although of course this was only his observation. Has the sentient virus stuff actually been confirmed in the series/from Ennis or is it still in the realm of conjecture?

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