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    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    @No Fear

    It hasn't been overtly confirmed, but Patient Zero is starting to give out very personal information that he had no possible way of knowing. So, whatever the case may be, something's up.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    @No Fear

    Unless Dannykat has Issue 56 already, I think it is still in the realm of conjecture. But I like that realm much as it helps explain how things are working/progressing.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    @Haggy

    I'm just referring to the "catamite" comment in issue 55. It's not a guarantee, but it does raise a lot of questions.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    I suppose if it was sentient, it would be in its best interests to shut down it's host's pain receptors and who knows, maybe it is also rewiring body functions, as well as mental processes, so the host stays alive long after sustaining a lot of damage (or infections). Maybe the infections are crossed as well, the bacteria and the like. maybe the virus is like that fungus (Ophiocordyceps unilateralis) that infect ants, totally taking control over their body, modifying their behavior, basically creating zombie ants with the only goal of sporing to spread itself to infect more ants.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    @Haggy

    *shrugs*

    I guess we'll just have to wait till tomorrow to see how this thing works.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    @Dannykat

    Or not. It is fun speculating on it so I hope its origins remain veiled.

    I wonder if there was a past infection in prehistory. In this fictional world.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 24th 2014
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    @Haggy

    The covers seemed to imply it, but those aren't something I'd trust. Unless of course the Nazis used the virus during the war and no one bothered to mention it.

    Really, the vibe I'm getting is that this virus has always been around, but it never did anything like this before.
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014 edited
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    Something I've been thinking about after re-reading #55: in that issue, when Tom and Jackie took off with the Tornado, they had to wade through quite a few of the Crossed, which was very... messy. One Crossed even managed to hang onto the canopy before Jackie was able to shake him (and the others) off, causing the plane to be covered in quite a bit of Crossed blood and offal. This makes me wonder: when the time comes for the two of them to bail out (assuming they get that far), is there any risk of any Crossed blood or other bits coming into contact with their skin and infecting them? We all know that even a drop of Crossed blood on your skin is enough to infect you. Or would the plane's tremendous speed have been enough to shake off all of that?

    Also, Dannykat, I've been thinking of what you said:

    Going off of your theory about the Crossed not being "Complete Monsters" -- which is something I agree with and a theory that the series itself seems to support -- where do you think the Alpha-Crossed fit in? We don't know much about their origins (heck, we don't even know if Smokey was a firefighter), but the scant little clues seem to suggest that they were Complete Monsters before they turned. Horsecock for instance had a 1%er badge, which tends to signify that the wearer was a violent criminal. So if the Alpha-Crossed were Complete Monsters before they turned, are they still Complete Monsters after they turn?

    To me it seems as if they would be, since all the virus did to them was give them a whole new world to violate.


    You raise good points, but let's think back to all the people who could believably be included as Alpha-Crossed: Horsecock, Face (arguably, seeing as he was in the process of organizing the remnants of the gang), Joyce Pratt, Lt. Hunt MacAvoy (for the brief time that he was Crossed), Ashley and Ashlynne, Clooney, Mattias the Russian gangster, the Rat King and Crossed Pope from Amanda's arc, Smokey, perhaps Al the Chemist from Gore Angels, Captain Cuntbeard, and of course Aoileann and Moses.

    Now, we have no way of knowing the backgrounds of many of these, but some of them we do, or have hints, anyway. Like you said, Horsecock had a 1%er badge, so he was very likely an outlaw biker. But we don't know if he was a Complete Monster or more like the biker gang that Edmund encounters in Yellow Belly, or Errol from American Quitters. All of them were violent and I certainly wouldn't want to make their acquaintance, but they had redeeming qualities as well and I wouldn't regard them as Monsters.

    By all accounts Joyce Pratt was a well-meaning but very weak-willed woman who was completely dominated by her husband and was unable to intervene in his monstrous acts towards their own daughters. Indeed, the only way how she was able to find the strength to fight her husband and save Addy from him was to infect herself.

    MacAvoy was an ex-SWAT commander, a jerk and a racist. He certainly had the required aggression, but he also had his honorable side, so he's definitely out of the Complete Monster category.

    Ashley and Ashlynne were very shallow and amoral girls, and they even committed murder before their Crossing, but they also genuinely loved each other as siblings, neither of them willing to abandon the other to danger. So no Complete Monsters there, either.

    Clooney definitely took a hell of a lot of crap in his arc, and Welles deliberately sought to drive him to the breaking point. But the way he deliberately infected himself for no other reason than to "escape" and take revenge on his girlfriend was still unforgivable.

    Mattias was a very violent man, no doubt, but the life he had led up until that point had made him that way. His love for Serena was genuine, though, as shown by his single-minded determination to seek her out even when Crossed. Of course, his ketamine-addiction was also a major factor in his being an abnormal Crossed.

    We had very little hints of Smokey's past before his infection, though Oliver makes an important point when the fire breaks out in the Cheyenne Mountain Command Center and he temporarily escapes from Smokey when the flames engulf the room that if Smokey were a firefighter in his previous life, he'd figure out a way to escape the fire, which he does, so it looks like he really was a firefighter and was likely (more or less) normal pre-Crossed.

    David Baerst (from the Australia special) was arguably a good man who just tried to protect his wife, and even as a Crossed he was mostly obsessed with getting revenge on Todd.

    Al the Chemist was a hippy who had likely done all sorts of drugs in his lifetime, and the mushrooms that he had consumed served to delay the onset of infection in him. That, plus having a hole drilled through his forehead and getting fucked in it seems to have altered him in all sorts of interesting ways, seeing as how as a Crossed he wasn't so much interested in violence (though he committed that too) than he was in acquiring "disciples".

    And there's been plenty of talk already of Aoileann, Ashoke and Moses so I won't go there, except to say that by all accounts Moses and Ashoke were as far away from a Complete Monster as possible.

    So the Alpha-Crossed we have so far seen seem to have come from all sorts of backgrounds and have been all sorts of people. Myself, I can't really say that they were all Complete Monsters before turning, seeing as they include people like Moses, David, Joyce Pratt and Al the Chemist as well as more violent people like Horsecock and Mattias.

    The only real link between them that there might be is something in their brains that was different from the average populace, either inborn or as a result of brain-damage (Aoileann's epilepsy and earlier drug use during her "wild days", Ashoke's brain damage, Mattias' ketamine use etc.). Aoileann of course is a special case, since she's so far the only Crossed who seems to have held onto at least a bit of her previous personality and even expressed horror and grief, something no other Crossed has. It would be interesting to know what Garth Ennis thinks of this, seeing as he's liked Si's Crossed stories very much.
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    So, in conclusion I venture that even if a person was a Complete Monster before they Crossed, they are not so afterwards, since compared to their previous selves their evil is now automatic rather than of their own volition. Being Crossed is IMO both the same and worse as being dead: bar a tiny few examples, all of the person's good qualities are gone for good, with only their dark side not only remaining but multiplied by about 1,000 or so. And it's a very powerful force as Patient Zero was only barely able to keep the "smiling voice" at bay through sheer willpower, and he was only hanging on through the skin of his teeth. I do add the caveat that we have precious little viewpoints from the Crossed themselves, and Patient Zero is the first one to really provide such a POV.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014
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    @Babu Dhakal

    As you listed these Alpha-Crossed, I noticed a pattern: a lot of them seemed to have a goal that they carried into their infection. Aioleann wants Shaky, Joyce wanted payback for a lifetime of abuse, Mattias wanted Serena, David Baerst wanted revenge on the truck driver, and Clooney wanted to escape. Like Patient Zero, these Alpha-Crossed (or at least some of them) seem to have a level of self restraint that they learned from using the virus to (mostly) gain revenge. But that's just my theory, really.

    And yes, the Crossed getting on the plane does come back to bite Tom and Jackie.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014
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    @Babu Dhakal

    Hmm, that does make sense. I can't remember where, but I do recall Garth Ennis saying that what makes Crossed different is that they do not have the ability to stop themselves, which is something that even some of the most horrible people on Earth have. Heck, just look at General Butt Naked: that man used child soldiers, ate his enemies, and is responsible for 20,000 deaths. But now he says he's found god and wishes to repent... I don't think he deserves it, but that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that this isn't an option with Crossed.
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014
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    Generally a plane going several hundred miles per hour is airblasted clean. The paint jobs always looks dull because of it. Might not be sterile but it should be dried and flaked off.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014
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    @MrBogey

    Read today's issue, I can confirm it was a bit of a problem.
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014 edited
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    Normally I'm quite jaded when it comes to horror comics and the fates of the protagonists, but this is one of the very few times I dread to read what happens to the protagonists. I don't mean Harry and Friends, of course. I mean the people in the bunker. It's an example of the effects of good writing that I've come to care for the characters, rather than see them as one or two-dimensioned bugger-kill fodder.

    The same with Rab and the Cavaites, of course.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014
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    SPOILERS! SERIOUSLY, SPOILERS!

    Okay, so I feel really stupid for asking this, but I fear my knowledge of British speeches is minimal. Can anyone tell me the meaning of Gordon Brown's last words to Harry before he was killed by Dr. Chopra? Here, I'll quote him, "And Harry? Broad sunlit uplands. That's the thing."
    • CommentAuthorslowtoad
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_was_their_finest_hour

    This speech
    • CommentAuthormeatface
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2014
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    I still don't get how Dr. Chopra got infected in the first place, kind of annoyed me.
    • CommentAuthorslowtoad
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2014
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    What got me was the full supplies in the "examination rooms" outside the bunker. Seemed like the crossed in there could easily broken out (patient zero even had access to scalpel blades). As for the bunker itself, it could had just been one researcher / scientist nodding off, spilling a sample and thats thats.
    • CommentAuthormaxnutter
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2014
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    @meatface - I agree; it didn't seem like patient zero or any of the others had escaped, so I've no idea how Dr Chopra was infected. Hopefully we'll see, but I doubt it...
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2014
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    just finished reading #56 and SPOILER ALERT!!
    it's just another arc. we have no more info about the crossed universe than before #50 only that patient 0 somehow had telepathic abilities

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