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    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014
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    @ Mr bogey yea and for sure if they did humans were not wearing socks and bras

    @ danny. Well if I remember correctly in family values or the original comic there is a discussion about crossed flying military planes and somebody says that is more fun to crash them into gas stations. Also if the crossed pilots are so aware and determined to maximise mayhem why all go to usa? A flotilla of bombers all going to usa? I.m sure russia has plans to nuke all major cities in europe and asia to. Why didn't some of the bombers head for paris, london ,berlin? 1 nuke in many places. That is maximum fun.

    If the fact that they were military and were determined means that we can see whole crossed armies that have tanks, jet fighters aircraft carriers.

    I hope the crossed universe won't become the next resident evil. Started with old school brainless zombies ended up with soldier zombies that can swim, drive cars and shoot guns.

    Maybe we will end up wit a genius crossed that will invent a device that finds normal ppl anywhere on earth and to help him chase them down he invents also a teleporting device.

    Let's keep the crossed what they are: maniacs full of rage, throw from time to time some alpha crossed and come up with a great story. Patient 0 maybe had telepathic powers before he became crossed if not we can see in the future a patient 0 that lets himself taken prisoner only to read the captors minds, find their secrets and weaknesses and then send them telepathically to some other crossed that will lead the attack.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014
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    @11111

    You do realize Patient Zero is dead?
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014
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    yea but i meant another patient zero from somewhere else, or someone similar with patient zero with telepathic powers if those telepathic powers were gained after being infected
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014 edited
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    @111111

    I highly doubt that, mostly because of how Patient Zero describes the process in issue 55: "I know all sorts of things I couldn't have known. It's all going away. It's going along with everything else, down into the dark red slurry. But for now -- I know."

    The implication is that the information disappears after a small amount of time, making this ability pretty useless with the exception of a few taunts. Which, incidentally, might explain why that one Crossed in the original series knew about the cop's wife, but didn't know her name.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014
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    I'll go back and reread the arc but I don't recall thinking Patient Zero was telepathic at any point. I remember some subtle psyche-outs based on what Patient Zero had observed, mixed with some knowledge of how the government/military operates but I never got the sense he was reading anyone's mind. Clothes, accouterments, and body gestures and stuff maybe, but not their thoughts.
    Maybe if what causes the Crossed is tied to something more ancient, perhaps each patent zero was plugged into more lizard-brain type sensations that could cause them to sense things that uninfected people could not.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014
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    @Dannykat

    Thanks. I was going reference that scene about the cop's wife as well; poisoning bits of the truth to mess with their heads
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014
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    @111111@ danny. "Well if I remember correctly in family values or the original comic there is a discussion about crossed flying military planes and somebody says that is more fun to crash them into gas stations. Also if the crossed pilots are so aware and determined to maximise mayhem why all go to usa? A flotilla of bombers all going to usa? I.m sure russia has plans to nuke all major cities in europe and asia to. Why didn't some of the bombers head for paris, london ,berlin? 1 nuke in many places. That is maximum fun."

    All that being true, these first generation infectees seem a bit different than the final version. More docile and seemingly with one objective in some cases. In the case with the folks from the small village, they all mostly marched right off a cliff into a river. The Russians who boarded those planes, likely first generation infectees, were described as acting like robots.

    Perhaps the first generation Crossed's initial objective is a simple thing: Spread. Whether it be the infection or destruction, just go. The easiest way to spread a lot of destruction is to fuck with the other major world power. And I think I was mentioned that the bombers were on a specific flight path the Russian were aware of, again, just keeping things simple. And who know where they may have all gotten off to had they not been destroyed. But there is a kind of Crossed beauty to detonating 20 nuclear warheads in close proximity to one target.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014 edited
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    @Haggy

    I agree, the first generation Crossed were radically different, and the pilots' behavior (at least when they were taking off) reflected this as well. Also, I kind of just realized that, despite whatever training/goals they might have had, normal Crossed wouldn't have been able to carry out the mission like these guys; given the ample amount of bombable targets between Russia and the US.

    Honestly, I think your theory works really well, Haggy.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014
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    Pre red rash, the infection seems to be easily transferred just by touching someone, once the rash appears this method of spread seems to end. Back in the Fatal Englishman arc, Harry is racing back home and speaking to his wife on the phone, she says a stranger came to the door and Harry is very concerned as to whether she was touched by him. Never got the significance at the time, but pretty clear now (and by touch I think he means touch, not some sort of physical assault).
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2014
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    @No Fear

    It also explains why that particular stranger didn't kill them. But are you sure that the earlier strain was more virulent? The impression I got was that it spread the same way, but more people let their guard down around infected that displayed less murderous tendencies.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2014
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    Well, I thought the ambulance drivers were infected just by being in close proximity to Patient Zero, ditto the police at the station, there was nothing to suggest Zero was violent although there were subsequent deaths at the police station. Ditto the vanishing villagers, although violence was on display when they were marching to the cliffs, again there was no evidence that they had been infected by violent means. Unless I'm reading it totally wrong lol.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2014
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    @No Fear

    I think you're reading it correctly. Aside from some exceptions, it seems the first wave were infected via nonviolent ways and whether they turned violent, died, or something else was up to the virus thing "blundering about" trying to figure out what it is.

    But most the first wave of infectees did not seem to have violence in mind. It was like they were being directed somewhere, like lemmings or when an ant is infected with the Ophiocordyceps unilateralis fungus.

    So, did the Thin Red Line document the three days Harry refered to in The Fatal Englishment as he was racing to get his family?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2014
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    @No Fear

    Oh ya, I forgot about the ambulance drivers. I guess I'm too used used to visuals in comics, and the Thin Red Line was really heavy on using text to advance the plot. Not that that's bad, just a bit hard to get adjust to.

    @Haggy

    Perhaps, but it seemed closer to one day to me, and Garth Ennis is making another one in the trilogy that started with the Fatal Englishman. I guess we'll just have to wait and find out.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2014 edited
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    @No Fear

    I guess I assumed that them being paramedics, they probably came into contact with Patient Zero at some point, taking blood pressure, his temp, etc. When they showed up, they probably had no idea what was going on nor that PZ was contagious.
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2014
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    Out of curiosity, what's the furthest in time we've seen with the Crossed?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2014
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    @MrBogey

    If TV Tropes is to be believed, it is the Fatal Englishman that holds that honor, evidently being set five years after C-Day.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2014
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    This may be going back to something previously discussed so apologies if it does. I was kind of under the impression that when C-Day happened, it happened everywhere at once. Meaning that at, say, 1:30 p.m. EDT, it was on everywhere. And this may be my foggy memory, but did it seem like in the beginning, people just suddenly turned?

    I recall a flashback Shaky had to C-Day where he was in a diner and some woman bent down by him to pick something up and when she looked up, she was crossed and things seemingly when apeshit all at once, with no warning at all. That scene has been in the back of my head bugging me for months. Even outside the diner, it seemed fine once second, crazy the next. And I kind of got that impression from the Crossed 0 issue as well, that suddenly it was just on.

    Without going into the infection incubation period and all that, it seems a bit off that a virus or whatever would manifest itself at a specific time, no matter how long someone has been infected, planetwide. The supernatural aside, what do you think may have caused this? The only consistent thing I can think of now, that would apply worldwide, is perhaps a celestial alignment which acts as an activator for the thing. Most of the other explanations that come to mind involve variables that would be vastly different from region to region.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2014
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    @Haggy

    Well, in Crossed #0, the first infected walked into the diner carrying an entire spine; an item which probably took quite a bit of time to get. It might look like it all turned on at once, but the Thin Red Line combined with all of the clues in Garth Ennis's original confirm that it just spread rapidly. However, that only applies to the victims of the second generation Crossed. For Patient Zero, it was indeed instantaneous.

    As for the woman in the coffee shop in WYWH, I remember that someone had a theory (which may have been posted here, actually) that she was a proto-Crossed that survived long enough to gain the rash; a theory that would explain her sudden switch in behavior in front of Shaky.

    Also, and I don't mean to offend, but I'm a bit confused about your mention of a celestial alignment. I'm not quite sure how that's connected to the virus.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2014
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    I think it's worth bearing in mind that Ennis at least had no intention for the series to continue beyond the initial story so discrepancies are bound to appear. Re the guy in the diner with the spine, if memory serves he didn't yet have the full facial rash when he walked in but I'd have to check on that. Also, there was the guy who was going to be the next victim of the serial killer torturer who's name escapes me, the killer said when remembering that night that he had seen this young guy staggering around as if drunk. By the time he was strapped to the table he had developed the rash.
    'The Thin Red Line' takes place over 2 or 3 days at most, events are happening all over the world so to all intents and purposes C-Day did happen at the same time.
    I don't know how many of you have read H P Lovecraft but he was always banging on about when the stars are in the right position all the Old Gods would rise up again. If there is a supernatural cause for the 'virus' then I can see where the celestial alignment comment is coming from, the time was right for the Crossed to appear.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2014
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    @No Fear

    Re: Lovecraft. Yeah, that is kind of what I was getting at but didn't want to invoke Lovecraft. But yeah, something celestial locked in with Earth and we get the Crossed. If this wild speculation is even close to being in the ballpark, maybe it has happened before. Maybe that's why the dinosaurs went out.

    I do recall that example with the serial killer and remember thinking that was strange. Or just inattentive writing. But if people did just flip, it makes sense. And I am not thinking of outbreak inconsistencies from writer to writer, more just slightly different variations of how it manifests itself depending on what region of the world you are in. The end result being the same, just how they get there is a a bit different.

    @Dannykat: No offence at all! I should have explained it better. But still, it spread rapidly at the same time worldwide? That's the thing I am trying to wrap my head around because most earthly things we know of do not manifest like that. It's fascinating to speculate on.

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