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    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2014
    Ah, maybe something like this?

    EXCERPT: July 2014 – "Some Hum investigators like University of Oklahoma geophysicist David Deming suspect that there’s a global source responsible for the Hum worldwide. “It’s a very, very low wavelength noise, perhaps between 50 or 56 Hz,” Moir told Mic. “And it’s extremely difficult to stop infrasound because it can have a wavelength of up to 10 meters, and you’d need around 2.5 meter thick walls, built with normal materials, to keep it out. It gets into our wooden houses very easily. And part of the reason people have so much trouble identifying the source of it is because of how low frequency the Hum is: It literally moves right through your head before you can figure out which ear picked it up first...”
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2014
    After finishing the patient zero arc, I interpret the crossed virus as a way for the planet earth to restore balance. It coulda been better but I still found it quite enjoyable.
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    Ok, I've read Badlands #56, my thoughts:

    Brown's death/infection: Realistically, considering that unlike all the other people who have been killed/turned in the most gruesome ways imaginable in the pages of Crossed, Gordon Brown is very much a real figure and public person (not as PM anymore, but certainly as the MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath), his demise could not be shown in the same horrific detail as, say, the salt-man's family's demise was shown in the original series. Therefore Ennis had to use a certain degree of tact. We also saw this earlier in Thin Red Line, where - although it's very heavily implied - the voice of the person going "Fuck along jack" over the phone is never outright stated to be that of Bush. Likewise in 303, although the President whom the Russian officer assassinates is clearly meant to be Bush, his name is never uttered, nor is his face ever shown. Interestingly enough though, I remember this one arc of Hellblazer where Garth wrote John Constantine meeting the spirit of JFK, who was still forced to hold his hand behind his head in order to prevent his brains from leaking out. And at the end of that arc the First of the Fallen (disguised as Abe Lincoln) had ripped off his arms, leaving an armless JFK walking on, his brains leaking out of his skull. Go figure...

    Still, one question I had going into the series was how Garth would ultimately treat Gordon Brown, knowing Garth's iconoclastic style. Would he be slammed like Bush? Or would there be a more balanced approach? Having now read the entire arc, it's clear the answer is the latter. Brown as depicted was clearly a fallible man, whose attempts to deal with the unfolding crisis were hampered by his initial indecision. Still, once he got over it (I would argue it was the nuclear bombers that finally got him over it; once that happened Brown seems to have realized that any concerns for political fallout was a moot point) he tried to lead the effort to contain the situation as best as he could. He clearly respected Harry and valued his advice and - despite Harry's misgivings at Brown's slow decision-making in the earlier issues - by the time they part ways it's clear the feeling was mutual. Not to mention Harry's shock, horror and dismay over his failure to protect Brown...

    One thing that I was expecting from the arc, but which never happened, was any mention of Brown's wife and children and their whereabouts. Knowing this is Crossed I expected Brown to receive bad news about them at any moment, which would have been a good scene to show his Heroic BSOD. So at the moment Sarah Brown and her children's fates are up in the air, though I wouldn't hold out hope for them...

    Brown's mention of Churchill was also interesting. In my mind he was being both envious of Churchill ("he had all the time in the world") as well as considering himself a dismal failure compared to him and other PMs. That sense of failure must have been crushing indeed. In that sense Churchill's fate in Avatar's Über series comes across as quite ironic...

    All in all, the last we see of Brown - standing at the doorway of the closing bunker, smiling in his own awkward way, trying to reassure Harry with his "Broad sunlit uplands. That's the thing" line, blissfully oblivious of the doom behind him - certainly is far different from the dooms that Garth has meted out to politicians he didn't like (GWB in this arc and 303, Prescott Bush in The Boys...).

    Dr. Chopra's infection: Remember when I expressed my hope that when the time came she would at least have a quick death? Sadly, with her infection she didn't even get that, doomed to commit atrocities in the sealed government bunker until they turn on each other. Admittedly, her Crossing certainly came out of left field with no foreshadowing whatsoever (unless one counts her exhaustion-related "I keep making stupid little mistakes" line during her last encounter with Harry as one) and pretty much falls under the "And Then John Was a Zombie" trope. I see that someone on TVtropes has already written a couple of questions about it on the Headscratchers section of the Crossed page, namely how could Chopra's (and, by implication, the rest of the research team's) infection go unnoticed in a facility that was teeming with SAS troops, police and government personnel. Still, it made for an effective ending, particularly as unlike so many other protagonists in Crossed who were pretty shallow and forgettable at best we as the reader got to know Chopra pretty well before her turning, hence making it all the more tragic for her. The real Anushka Chopra would no doubt be horrified at the things her Crossed self has done.

    The government bunker: Going into the final issue, I was half-expecting (and fearing) that by the time Harry and his pals returned that they would fine the bunker overrun with the Crossed due to a) a Crossed Patient Zero, Alistair and the two soldiers breaking out of the room and infecting the rest of the facility or b) the bunker falling to an outside attack by the Crossed, like Cheyenne Mountain in Quisling (God, the more I think about that scene the more I become like Linkara, feeling like yelling "This comic SUCKS!"). Thankfully, b) didn't happen. Of course, anyone who knows Garth Ennis knows that he wouldn't portray something like the SAS as easily-killeable redshirts... makes you think that if Garth had written Quisling he certainly would have written Cheyenne Mountain differently, oh well... Anyway, a) did happen (the government bunker getting overrun from the inside, at least), but not in the way I had expected. Major Britten indeed made the right call when he locked that door. Sadly, it wasn't enough... Again, Chopra getting infected, killing/infecting Brown and the rest of the government bunker was a bit of a Diabolus ex Machina, but under the circumstances I think it was the best that Garth could do in order to not cause any continuity snarls with The Fatal Englishman ("No one left alive to send us, nowhere left to be sent from. Hasn't been for a while now," as Harry said to Father Dennis). Interestingly enough, this still left the rest of the facility - with all the SAS men and SO1 police officers - intact, and presumably they could hold out against the Crossed for at least as long as they had food and ammo.
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2014 edited
    Tom and Jackie: Well, the kamikaze option I mentioned turned out to be the right one. It would have been an interesting twist for them to have survived, but realistically their's was far more likely to be a one-way trip. I think the nuclear explosion that Rab (or was it Jackson?) mentioned occurring in the direction of Iceland was indeed them detonating their nuke. Since it was an airburst, then presumably by the time Jackson arrived in Iceland a month into the Crossed plague any residual fallout had already been blown away by prevailing winds.

    Still, although it was sad, compared to the vast majority of the poor sods around the world who got it, their end was very merciful. I mean, which would you rather have, a slow and agonizing death of being bugger-killed (and god knows what else), or a quick, painless end as a nuke goes off? I certainly know what I'd choose.

    Meta: Interesting how the situation in Britain deteriorated so fast from #55 (cordons holding south of Nottingham) to #56 ("the country's been declared as having moved beyond the control of civil authority"). I have two alternating theories about this: either the reports that the PM's aide had been receiving were wildly optimistic, inaccurate and/or outdated, or the reports were correct, at the time that he had received them, but that the situation had evolved very quickly and in an unfortunate direction (troops running out of ammo, cordons overrun, new outbreaks breaking out left and right and not enough police and army to deal with them, etc.). Certainly from the C-Day scenes that we've seen in the original series and follow-up arcs, the disaster pretty much erupted massively everywhere and rapidly escalated, leaving little to no time for governments and the security services to react. Certainly when reading earlier arcs I never expected that any government would have reacted even as well and organized as the British government in Thin Red Line. Basically, it was like playing "Whack a mole", with ten new outbreaks breaking out for every one they quashed.

    Anyway, it's clear that after only about 1 and a half days since "C-Hour" (which I consider to be the morning after Patient Zero was discovered by the two cops), the situation has become irreversibly terminal in Britain and throughout the world. The President of the United States is infected, the White House (and, by implication, Washinton, D.C.) is overrun and the US military is in chaos. In this arc we received no mention of either Air Force One crashing over the Midwest or Israel nuking the Middle East, so presumably those didn't occur yet or happened off-screen. In Britain martial law has been declared, the Prime Minister is dead/infected, what's left of the government has been evacuated along with their families to similar installations like the one Brown was holed up in and the SAS have severed communications between his bunker and the outside world in order to prevent any Crossed from inside giving dangerous orders to what's left of the government and military. Presumably what's left of the military and security services are still trying to protect individual areas or are holed up in various secure locations, like Major Britten and his men in the un-Crossed part of the facility or the Black Watch in Fort George, for example. The civilian populace is in full panic mode, their minds containing only one thought: "HEAD NORTH/SOUTH", like we saw in the flashback of the first Badlands arc as well as in Si's The Folly. Oh, and the British military, like the US military in the original series, has also been ordered to shut down and seal off all civilian and military nuclear facilities. Presumably this means that you will have a number of SAS and other special units going around the country, escorting nuclear scientists and technicians tasked with shutting down power plants before killing them. Interestingly enough, there was no mention of Britain's nuclear submarines in this, whether they were all free of the Crossed and what their orders were. I'm reminded of Shan's post from some time ago:

    UK Trident Programme

    (I'm guessing depending on what was happening in 2008, one would definitely be out at sea while 0-2 might also be out of port. Any not at sea would probably have been overrun like the other military installations I guess. In general what could be an interesting story in any scenario like this which is almost never covered would be what happens to all of those nuclear submarines and aircraft carrier groups that are out at sea).

    The principle of operation is known as continuous at-sea deterrence, which means that at least one submarine is always on active patrol. A second submarine is normally undergoing maintenance and the remaining two are in port or on training exercises.

    During a patrol, the submarine is required to remain silent for three months and is allowed to make contact with the base only in a dire emergency. The submarine navigates using mapped contour lines of the ocean floor and patrols a series of planned "boxes" measuring several thousand square miles. A 1000 metre aerial trails on the surface behind the submarine to pick up incoming messages. Intelligence is constantly relayed to the vessel, giving details of shipping movements and potentially hostile aircraft or submarines in the area.

    Most of the crew never know where they are and no one on board would know which targets were selected.

    So depending on circumstances, one Vanguard would definitely be out at sea, and as many as two might also have been out of port. Of course, if any crewmen happened to have entered those vessels while in the early stages of the virus... Anyway, it might take some time for the one that is out at sea to figure out that something was wrong as they would be operating under complete radio silence.

    Presumably, Garth's future arc "Once a Warrior King" will deal with the intervening five years between Thin Red Line and Fatal Englishman, with the beginning showing Harry making his way to his family through a chaotic and collapsing Britain. Seeing as how Thin Red Line takes place over a 1 and a half day period, and Harry tells his wife over the phone that he's been dealing with it for the past three days, it seems that wherever Harry's family lived it was quite a bit away from the government bunker, seeing as it took Harry another 1 and a half days to get there by car, even accounting for the chaos and congested roads.

    Sorry for the lenghty posts, I had quite a lot to say here, here. :)
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    Oh, a couple of things I noticed when re-reading WYWH: in Skip's flashback, the two RAF jets hit Blackpool at nightime, presumably during the time that Patient Zero was still running through the moors, before he was found. You would think that such an incident would have been mentioned in Tom and Jackie's base, along with the third rogue jet, heh. Also, when the Gamekeeper hit the fire alarm at the assisted care center and led the Crossed there, the old woman being chased by the Crossed yelled for "Alistair". Probably a coincidence, but it's interesting to think that the Catamite was her son...
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2014
    @ Babu: <em>the bunker falling to an outside attack by the Crossed, like Cheyenne Mountain in Quisling (God, the more I think about that scene the more I become like Linkara, feeling like yelling "This comic SUCKS!"). Thankfully, b) didn't happen. Of course, anyone who knows Garth Ennis knows that he wouldn't portray something like the SAS as easily-killeable redshirts... makes you think that if Garth had written Quisling he certainly would have written Cheyenne Mountain differently, oh well... </em>

    Well, there's certain thing we have to just accept and not think about due to story convenience. In the prior arc it had people sailing down the Mississippi from New Orleans. I've lived here all my life and truth is, that's about the dumbest riskiest thing to do. There's a lot of bends and a big highway on each side of the river all the way down with small populations that still number in the thousands on each side. So if you're in a large ship, you're traveling slowly down a shooting gallery that would take you an hour or two to get through. Sure, it's deadly to try and swim out but there's a ton of boats in the area and even a small vessel can make it across. It takes a cruise ship about 4 hours just to clear the southern point and enter the gulf.
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    Heh, yeah I know, just feel like venting sometimes. That's what I like about the stories written by Garth & Si, they seldom if ever cause me to think "Hey, this is just fucking dumb!"

    And yes, based on what you wrote, that was indeed dumb for the protagonists of the previous arc to do. It's a wonder they didn't suffer even more losses in that venture. Of course, that group ultimately didn't have the strongest possible foundation. How could they when they basically had Joseph Pratt in charge - without the daughter-raping, that post being occupied by the degenerate fisherman.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2014
    @Babu Dhakal

    I'm not gonna lie, at the end of the issue with the boat passing through New Orleans, I simply decided to give up on any Crossed books that aren't written by Si or Garth. Honestly, the quality of writing is so drastically uneven that anything that isn't by Garth and Si feels like it's set in an entirely different universe.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2014
    @Dannykat sadly, I am with you on that one but I am still begrudgingly reading the non Garth/Si arcs partly because I like the universe so much that I am interested in seeing how other writers tackle it (I do wish the Lorre/Amanda stories would stop though) and partly I want to support Avatar books as much as possible. I can mainly overlook shoddy details like Mr Bogey mentioned but if I can't get into the non-Crossed characters, I end up not caring how or where the story goes. The arc about the circus clowns had me until the end when Lorre showed up and I almost threw the book across the room when I saw that.

    All that being said, perhaps we should put up or shut up and take a crack and putting a story together ourselves, offsite of course. I've been kicking around the idea for months and would very much like to work with someone on a story if anyone is willing. I think our discussions have brought up a lot of interesting ideas to explore.

    @Babu Dhakal

    "That's what I like about the stories written by Garth & Si, they seldom if ever cause me to think "Hey, this is just fucking dumb!""
    AMEN. I know when I sit down to read a Si or Garth story, it's going to haunt me for days if not weeks or months with its creepy brilliance. I think this thread is a testament to that for several people.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2014

    Like a fanfiction? I... nah, I'm sorry, but I'm not very confident that that would work out. While I will admit that we the fans probably know a heck of a lot more about this universe than most of the one-time writers for Badlands (who, let's face it, were probably only in it for a quick buck), I still think that making a good Crossed story is an absolutely Herculean task.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2014
    @Babu Dhaka "Interesting how the situation in Britain deteriorated so fast from #55 (cordons holding south of Nottingham) to #56 ("the country's been declared as having moved beyond the control of civil authority")."

    Interesting indeed considering that as far as we know, there was only one Patient Zero in Britain yet he somehow was able to spread the contagion countrywide. I assume the same with the United States, which is much larger, moreso with Russia. For this to work, the spread must have been going on for a long time with something triggering the change in the infected simultaneously, countrywide. That is why I am thinking there is more at play here than just Patient Zeroes spreading it. I am not looking to poke holes in Garth's story at all. I'm trying to pick up on what wasn't told and find a good spin on it.

    If we go by the timeline established in "The Thin Red Line", Patient Zero initially infected a station of cops who, aside from two, presumably wandered out to infect the rest of the village. The village then walked to a cliff and jumped into a river to spread the infection even further.

    Then there are the ambulance folk who found Patient Zero at the police station in the deserted village, who loaded him up and and were infected and murdered each other. At this point, Patient Zero was quarantined but who knows how many he infected between the time the paramedics killed each other and the responding officers showed up on that scene. Not many, I'd imagine but even a few would start spreading it locally. Maybe throw in a few more infected people where Patient Zero was being quarantined.

    Back to the cliff diving villagers. The river they infected surely helped spread it but countrywide in a day, day and a half tops? And the cliff had to be close to the village because they hadn't been infected that long. Now we are looking at two incidents branching out from Patient Zero:, one in a rural area and the other probably near or in an urban area. And both incidents are likely relatively close to each other as I can't imagine an ambulance driving cross country to deliver a patient to a hospital. Plus, the ambulance drivers were probably infected soon after encountering Patient Zero so I imagine they didn't get too far from the village.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2014

    No, not fan fiction. That's the easy way out. I'd really like to craft something professional we could submit to Avatar (which is another matter entirely as I have no clue what their submissions guidelines are, but I'll look into it if there is interest in perusing this project).

    Admittedly, it is a huge task but we seem to have a handle on what we like in Crossed stories and a passion for the universe and I would love to see us produce something out of that which we could all be proud of. I really don't know how it would work right now but if people are interested in contributing in any capacity (ideas, writing, edits, etc) I would be willing to coordinate this and do the bulk of the writing work if no one else wants to. I know myself and know I work much better with collaborators, especially with something like this.

    Part of the story could focus on how stories of the infection spread on social media outlets, as hinted at in the last arc. We have lots of ideas and theories here we could use and each one we use would give the author of the post part of the writing credit. I like a lot of the theories presented in this thread and it would be kind of neat to use them as rumors in the story we'd put together. I think if we took our time, we could come up with a damn good Crossed story. Plus, we could get feedback from you all as to what you all think is working and what isn't.

    I know it sounds kind of like a dumb experiment but I am game if anyone else is. What's it going to hurt to try?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 12th 2014

    Ah, I getcha. Well, I wish you the best of luck with it. I'll be sure to read it!


    The link appears to be broken there, dude.
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2014
    It's a copy paste from an old post of mine from page 1.
    Don't know why he posted again.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2014

    That's a bit... odd...
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2014 edited

    from the crossed fb page.
    nice drawing but the girls hands are full of blood. if it's crossed blood she is infected. if it;s her blood how come she is not already infected?
    looked bad-ass in doom but it's stupid to use a chainsaw against crossed.

    just something to talk about ill next badlands arc or wywh comics come out?
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2014
    Artistic license maybe?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2014
    I'm gonna agree with No Fear on this one; the covers have never been the most reliable or consistent source of info when it comes to Crossed.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2014
    Yeah, I see the covers more as fantasy Crossed, if that makes sense. More just for fun or a goof or to look cool than anything but not to be taken literally in regards to the actual story or universe.

    Has anyone read anything by Justin Jordan? This will be my first so I have no idea what to expect.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2014

    Evidently, he wrote a bit for Hack/Slash. However, it looks like he got into that series after it peaked (it kind of went downhill after it introduced superheroes, but that's not his fault), so I don't really remember it.

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