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    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2014
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    @gragh46

    But even if it can lock after four days of inactivity, this thread is never inactive for that long. Good point on the spoilers, though. I suppose it would be best for a new thread to be opened up there.
    • CommentAuthorgragh46
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2014
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    I think someone said that he was looking out for this thread and as soon as it reached a certain amount of days wih no actitivity, he posted (and asked us to do it on his behalf while he was away for a while).

    So I've read both badlands #57 and #58. For now, it seems to be shaping up as the crappy mash-up of previous story elements that the arc with the ship people wanting to make it to the island was (I think that one was the one before thin red line).

    Anyways, the way I see it, In the crossed world, when it comes to survivors, you have the lonely pychopaths who survive no matter the odds, the competent people who may or may not end up leading others (who may be bastards like the GK or Abby's father, or decent folks like Rab and Cindy), incompetent people who know how to avoid bothering the one keeping them alive, and lucky lucky cunts who conveniently survive even though they are retarded. The latter kind feature most of the cast in the bad badlands arcs.

    As for the latest arc? Esperanza is a relatively competent girl who for some stupid reason is taking care of Jane, who obviously doesn't have a clue about the brave new world and has endangered her repeatedly (i.e: a huge liability). I call she's in love with Jane, but that's just my random view on it
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2014
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    @gragh46

    That's a shame. It's starting to sound like a lot of these Badlands stories are falling into a particularly boring rut. Oh well, at least we still have Si and Garth...
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    No fixed point shall stand, that's (almost) all I'm going to say about the latest ish of Badlands. However, there does come a point at which some of the rules need to be broken, otherwise the arcs become overly predictable.
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2014 edited
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    @ big texan

    na we just need good stories that,s all


    later edit


    just finished reading #58 and one thing bothers me. where do this paranormal crossed come from?
    in original arc we have a def, blind, limbless crossed that can sense ppl from miles away and just by doing "HHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH" the other crossed know where to go to find ppl
    in the twin arc we have that infected guy that they use as a scent dog and mule
    in the lore arc we see a crossed again acting like a dog sniffing the entrance and peeing like a dog.
    in patient 0 we have a crossed with telepathic abilities
    now we have another human dog

    aren't crossed just normal ppl going nuts? does the virus give normal ppl 10 times more scent nerves, physical modifications to the nose and ears so a normal person can actually have animal senses? yea they can act like dogs/whatever but they don;t gain super senses. apparently normal ppl can be police dogs using human nose to trace scent.

    how hard could it be to make something simple as they escaped this time, fast forward a couple of days weeks they went out for supplies and they get fallowed to the camp like in family values? or another group goes out gets infected and brings all the crossed to the yard?

    this is issue 58 god dammit. at least read the previews ones and make sure your is original and your idea haven't been used a couple of times before.


    you know what would be really interesting an arc from the point of view of a crossed. like how he/them are chasing ppl, some get away, they go for the more interesting one etc. like in the mathias arc. maybe from smokey pov. or whatever. i'm not earning money from coming up with ideas and plots for books/comics. they are.



    come up with something original ffs
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014
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    4th day bump
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014
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    Imo, the crossed themselves are pretty boring despite all their rape/kill/torture stuff, much like zombies, the only really interesting stories will focus on the non-infected. I don't want to see too much of the 'super' crossed appearing, a sentiment that I think Garth Ennis shares. There should be plenty of great horror stories in the crossed universe, unfortunately for me most of the stories in Badlands etc have been pretty poor.
    • CommentAuthorBadBeast
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014
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    For me, Crossed has always been about the reactions of the uninfected to the plague, and the lengths desperation forces people to. One of the most poignant examples of this is the last line (can't recall the arc) when the little cannibal children were shot, rather than leaving them for the pursuing Crossed.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014
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    @BadBeast

    That's the original.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014
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    @BadBeast and Dannykat

    I took something entirely different from that: I thought they killed the children because 1) They were too much of a burden to haul around if they all wanted to survive; and 2) The children were ruined from the life they had to leave post C-Day, which involved cannibalism, probably murder and who knows what else. They would have grown up to be monsters. It was a shit move but based on all the information available to them, it had to be done. I didn't think they killed them so the Crossed wouldn't get at them but I will go back and re-read that.
    • CommentAuthorBenjammin
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014
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    @111111
    None of those crossed have to be paranormal.
    The quadriplegic one with the good sense of hearing? There's never a situation where he give his group insight that they wouldn't already have. For example, when the survivors try to cross the bridge and he starts making noise, the bridge is the only reasonable location they might be. Why would they make noise to go nowhere?

    The dog crossed is Craig, by the way (or whoever that weird guy the story starts with is.) Their sensory capabilities are nothing special, given that they're simply trying to find a limping woman who literally just gave birth and is leaking bodily fluids all over.

    The Lorre arc dog crossed...I don't know why it'd do that, but I don't see anything about that more difficult to believe than the plague itself. It's not like they have any special abilities.

    Now, patient 0, I'm curious as to what you think is telepathic...It seems to me that 0 had prior knowledge of what he's referencing, though he may not believe it himself, or that the virus is just making him straight-up lie (remember the original arc, where the crossed in the back of the police car kept on talking about the cop's wife? Maybe part of the virus is that they actually believe that sort of thing just by nature of it coming out of their mouth.

    Just read 58. I think that the crossed doesn't really have any special ability...but the fact that its senses are impaired means that it stops to focus and listen for those sorts of things. You could see the oil dripping easily , but a crossed might be too busy with thoughts of obscenity and violation of the flesh to notice.
    Maybe the crossed are all ironically dull in their senses to contrast with their capacity and desire for destruction/violence. It just doesn't make sense that anybody would be able to do the sorts of things they do and not eventually be satisfied in some regard, or at least tired.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014
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    @Benjammin

    Agreed on pretty much everything; I never got a supernatural vibe from any of the Crossed... barring the exception of Patient Zero. The amount of information he knew near the end (where he could quote even the minute details of a conversation he was not present to witness) really pointed to something else, while perhaps not supernatural, happening behind the scenes.
    • CommentAuthorBadBeast
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014 edited
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    @ Haggy. I appreciate the reasons why the children were shot. If they had taken them with them, they would have almost definitely been all lost. Even if they weren't, they were going to have a load of PSTD kids to look after, on the run, with no food or supplys .. and the Crossed close behind. Or they could leave them, but knowing what would happen to them, how could you leave them to that? Or you could shoot them all, that would be a kindness.

    Or is that just an excuse you'd make so that you could sleep at night? A mixture of all those things? However they justify what happened, to themselves . . . . "At the end of the day, we still shot the children". Tough one.

    The way those issues were examined, and the reasons they WERE so desperate, and human, that's what really counts. Not the details or the actual horror of the situation. The way the survivors react, and cope. That's some real shit going on there.
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2014
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    @benjamin
    well if the mutilated crossed from the original arc had no powers then the crossed make logical assumptions witch kind of contradicts with the crossed nature. also htey have no clue that the survivors went for the bridge or the opposite way. is not posible that some survivors came from the other way of the bridge and end up in the city looking for supplies or going the other way? and there is also the desert panel when they throw somebody in the fire to eat him and the hump starts hhggggggggghhhhh and the crossed come after the survivors. and is the middle of the fucking desert. there are so many directions in the desert to go but the crossed come right after the survivors in the middle of the night.

    you can say whatever you want but if you played hide and seek in your childhood you know how hard is to find somebody in a limited area, finding somebody that is days/months ahead and has unlimited possible directions to go looks kind of paranormal to me. or those guys are the most unlucky ppl ever.

    limping body fluids all over - don;t forget that she has some days advance, and she is a trained soldier i don't think she limped body fluids in the middle of the road with arrows pointing directions. if she took a 20m direction off the road takes some incredible luck to find that. or to be an expert in tracking witch the twins and craig doesn't seem to have from the previous issues of the arc.

    about the crossed in the police car - she is just making the logical assumption that he is making thinks up, coz coming up with the idea that he could read minds doesn;t pop up just like that. we try to find some explanation and we are very skeptical about shit we can;t understand.


    ok some stuff i can take it. maybe that mutilated crossed from the original has some powers just like patient 0, coz even there is said that maybe he is an abomination or some next step in evolution. the fishy part is how the other crossed can understand where to look for survivors from hhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh?



    anyway in this thread in an older post of mine i pointed out some "superpowers" the crossed gained along the way just to make it to the survivors. if you want to look it up.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2014 edited
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    @11111

    Dude, they don't have any "powers". The characters even stated that Stump just has good hearing. And this particular group of Crossed making intelligent deductions is perfectly reasonable. If you go back and read the book, you'll see that Horsecock is wicked smart.
    • CommentAuthorBenjammin
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2014
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    @11111
    Horsecock's crew doesn't have to play this like hide and seek. The people they were torturing when the survivors got there were probably trying to cross the bridge, and the bridge is a choking point, so it makes sense. It could probably also have been heard directionallly by hearing-focused stump, in a way that would be noticed if Horsecock or one of his crew were to take their mind off of Crossed obscenity and listen.

    For the twin arc, there are a variety of factors that could have lead to them finding her there. For example, even if not leaking, she was very slow, and couldn't exactly trick them by going around them or anything (I'd suggest that as more physically fit crossed, they were outrunning her). The house was also the only reasonable structure in sight, and she made some nice noises clearing it out with the remaining ammunition. You could even go on to assume that there are other crossed searching for her, and this lot just happened to catch them first. From thereon, it's not hard to track a woman leaking afterbirth and limping in an empty house.

    Police car.....you've got to be messing with me. Just think about how an angry human acts, becoming the supposed inspector of one's personal life the moment they're pissed off, making assumptions about endowment and personal situations and inadequacy. This is the crossed equivalent of that.

    Just think about what @Dannykat is saying. Remember the Quislett arc. They are perfectly capable of acting logically and preserving their bodies, as long as that's what is necessary to prolong and abet the hunt.
    • CommentAuthorBadBeast
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2014
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    And assuming there's one of the fuckers with the acumen to point it out to them. Like Horsecock. Or Smoky.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2014 edited
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    @Benjammin

    While my personal theory on the police car Crossed is that he was another Patient Zero, it is also possible that, like you said, it was doing whatever it could to prolong and abet the hunt. And since it was imprisoned without access to victims, it is also very likely that it had ample time to observe the officer and form a plan of escape.
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    I just created an account to throw my hat in on this discussion. Regarding the Crossed in the police car, I feel like it should be worth pointing out that you never actually see a ring on any of the deputy's fingers. I own the Volume 1 TPB and looked multiple times for a wedding ring, but never saw one, so either it's a mistake on the part of the artist (unlikely, since this detail remained consistent over multiple pages) or Cindy's theory of "it saw your ring and it guessed" is at least partially incorrect.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2014
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    @Crookeddally

    Gonna go back and look for that detail now. If it is true, I'm so gonna point it out to support my little theory whenever I can.

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