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    A Crossed and a wild animal. One of these things is not like the other.

    And by the end of the Fatal Englishman all the kids seemed to be (relatively) well-adjusted, considering that they had twice narrowly escaped from a very horrible fate. I wonder if having other adults around (even if only a short time) besides Dennis who genuinely cared for them had something to do with it? They seemed to be particularly fond of Jock, and from Jock's expressions and behavior (like his fierce protectiveness of them) it looks like the feeling was mutual. Which of course makes me wonder what sort of things Jock will see and experience in the upcoming issues of Thin Red Line. For one thing, Jock seems to have been more open and slightly more talkative before C-Day...
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    The fat guy didn't get super powers and regenerate his severed tendons. The fat thieving fucker got skinned, without being crossed.
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    Off topic, but on topic in general...

    Has anyone thought to put together a Google Maps waypoint type thing. In particular WYWH - since its location is based more on existing locations than any of the other series/arcs.
    I don't know Google Maps well enough to do it myself (or if its even possible in the first place).

    How cool would it be to re-read (or read for newbies) the series with a map to give some reference to locations and events.
    • CommentTimeApr 10th 2014
    That fat thieving fucker (Pat) did get crossed, he was just wearing somebodies skin. U can see his cross vaguely under his skin mask. But crossed or not, cutting those tendons is a sure way to not be able to walk or run for quite some time. While we are on the subject of the first badlands arc, does anybody know what the name of it is? Is it just "Badlands"?
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2014
    I finally got around to picking up 51 from the shop. Makes me wonder how the best course of action would have been in the real world.

    These proto-cross seem a bit different. What with what happens in the final panel.

    Brown certainly isn't being treated well.

    I really wonder when the change hits and they pick up the Cross.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2014
    The Crossed guy is wearing Pat's face as near the end one character starts saying is that Pat then stops when he realises what has happened.
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    @ MrBogey

    I'm sensing that by the time the unnamed Patient Zero was discovered by the cops, it was already too late, for Great Britain at least. As Dr. Chopra (the female head scientist at the government facility) explained, they don't know how, where and when he was infected, or where he was between getting infected and being found, meaning they have no way of knowing just how many people he interacted with and infected. They don't even know his identity as he no longer remembers it himself. And as we can see from the preview pages of 52, the infection has clearly already spread to RAF personnel, and I doubt Patient Zero had direct contact with them. Which means it was some other person, possibly infected earlier by Patient Zero or further down the infection chain, who then spread the contagion to the RAF and possibly the British military in general.

    Also, one of the previews implies that instead of there being one Patient Zero, there actually were Patient Zeros for virtually each and every country on Earth. So even if they had somehow managed to contain the British outbreak, that would still leave the rest of the world dealing with it.
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2014
    If anything the uncrossed version of the crossed virus is even more contagious than the crossed version, as any physical contact with the infected seems to transmit the virus and it also seems to have a slightly longer gestation period which would allow it to spread even further. I also think that by the time of patient zero being studied the virus has spread too far to be contained, so even if the PM had been more decisive it is already to late.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2014
    Speaking of patient zero, why is it that the town he was in was abandoned? Shouldn't there have been some Crossed stragglers left behind? Or at least some horrific carnage? From what we were told, the ambulance drivers went into town, found patient zero in a jail cell, and then crashed after they got infected by him.
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2014
    @ dannykat It would seem that the early form of the virus is different from the final Crossed version in a few ways, no cross, induces coma state in some victims, suicidal drive in others, so it would seem that it is mutating rapidly towards the rape/kill version that will end the world.
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2014
    Have we ever see a Crossed kill themselves in a way that wasn't "fun"?

    Walking off a cliff just seems like poor impulse control.
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2014
    @mr bogey

    yea but it.s just the beginning of the plague. who know how the virus worked in the beginning, aslo maybe the infected leader drove them that way, just like the crossed pope was leading his followers with abstinence.

    @ no fear

    yea you were right had to check that issue again and also the previous ones to see how pat was dressed when they left him tied and with his tendons cut.
    so yes pat got skinned without being infected and his face was worn by a crossed.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2014
    Can we all keep an eye on this thread please? Whenever it reaches 4 days without a post, I make sure I put something up so that it doesn't lock. We wouldn't want to have to go through all of this again now, would we? (we already had to repeat some stuff we already wrote in the individual threads). I never want to bump it for the sake of bumping it though, so I always try come up with a topic relevant post. So far so good as we've gotten at least 30 or so posts since I first did this back around the 60 or so post count. Anyway, I just bring this up because I may not be able to keep an eye on this thread for a while and this is about the 3rd time we've hit the 4 day count (5 is a lock), so just asking everyone else to keep an eye out for the next couple of months, there's plenty more speculating and the like we can do.

    Right, now back on topic. To repeat something I posted in an episode thread and to answer my last question in this thread, will the human race make it in the long run? My answer then and now is yes and the reason is that human beings live in societies that are so varied and so diverse. For starters, there's communities that are in the most remote and most inaccessible places on Earth. For example, I think they only just possibly discovered a previously undiscovered tribe in the Amazon.

    Going by what we know at the 5 year mark, even though I doubt Harry and his men were running a formal census, they estimate there were about 50,000 uninfected survivors in the UK, presumably extrapolating from the numbers of people they did meet. For ease of calculations, we could range the world's survival rate at between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 2000 based on this, so from a pre-C day global population of 6 billion, we could guess that 3 to 6 million uninfected have survive scattered all over the world.

    I'd like to think that in even the worst case scenarios going on to kill most of these people (the Crossed that went the distance and actively hunting them down), there'll still be groups they never found. For starters, remote communities we never knew about like the aforementioned Amazon tribe.

    Add to that other people who are used to living in harsh conditions that are hard to reach (deserts, mountains, islands, ice like Siberia, northern Canada and so on) and people who escape and adapt (statistically a few will make it), I think in the long run the human race will outlast the Crossed because they aren't really primed for long term survival. Maybe for all we know, this has happened before (after all the initial Crossed outbreak seems to spontaneously arise in Patient Zero in a way we'll never find out for sure) and the human race bounced back eventually after they died off.

    Even if the Crossed don't die off this time for argument's sake, I think the human race will always survive in the margins at the very least. After all, if there's people surviving without needing the modern world and we don't know about them, I can't see why that can't continue even after C-Day.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2014
    At first I was quite certain that humanity would die off, but after reading Simon Spurrier's annual (the one in Australia) and seeing how the Aboriginal people managed to escape the Crossed, I figure you're probably right about humanity surviving. But there's still the problem of Smokey's quest for WMD's; although I doubt Avatar would allow Smokey to kill the series.
    • CommentAuthorNo Fear
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2014
    Veering wildly off into a stupid question - during the fatal Englishman story they see the 'artwork' on the Brighton pier, the priest says something along the lines of he could see what the white stuff on the beach was. Erm, just what was the 'white stuff' as I didn't get that. Cheers.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2014
    @No Fear
    My best guess: Semen.
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2014 edited
    @No Fear

    It was skulls and bones. They had to dump the refuse of their 'artwork' somewhere, didn't they? Though knowing the Crossed's dietary habits I would imagine they ate the flesh first. 'Waste not, want not,' as Captain Barbossa would say.

    Also, considering the sheer amount of bones on the beach, it seems that the Brighton Crossed had spent months if not years doing their 'masterpiece'. It's actually a sobering reminder when reading "Thin Red Line", that in a very short while the world will go from one with bars, modern technology, politics and overall civilization to one where survivors gaze at an epic atrocity in the middle of Brighton and ask "But is it art?"
    • CommentAuthorgragh46
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2014
    @Dannykat: Smokey was looking for WMD's, but the original crossed features that soldier's diary where he chronicles the mission to shut down nuclear reactors and the likes. Wouldn't most governments have done the same regarding their most destructive weapons? and even in a place as fucked up as the post C-day world, wouldn't it be pretty complicated to get access and codes to use the weapons were they to be found?
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    I think Thin Red Line is going to answer that question, at least regarding Britain's nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. We already know from Fatal Englishman that Porton Down wasn't destroyed, if the government ever managed to give such an order in the first place. But there is still the issue of Britain's nukes to consider, particularly the four Vanguard submarines stationed at HMNB Clyde, each of them equipped with up to 16 Trident missiles, each of those missiles carrying up to 12 warheads. Even if Gordon Brown is trapped in the bunker, he should still have access to those...
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2014 edited
    Well, I'm generally optimistic and the human race is very creative and very enduring despite what seems like the worst of hardships. I like to think that at the very end of it all, the very last of the Crossed ends its days under a Hazmat boot and flame thrower. As I've said before, in the context of where all this doom and gloom seems to have been leading us, survival would be a surprise ending. The one with the human race (albeit possibly largely reduced) is victorious in the ultimate long run is the one I see happening.

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