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    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2014
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    For myself the only explanation for the widespread and almost simultaneous appearance of final strain crossed virus is it is waterborne with a incubation period of a few hours due to its diluted nature, reservoirs are somehow infected and hours later all over the country infected seem to suddenly spring up everywhere.
    • CommentAuthordiggergig
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2014
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    Only Max Normal is safe!
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    Lol, it took me five seconds to get the reference. Well done!
    • CommentAuthorJyve
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2014
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    Whoa! of course! that does make perfect sense why there'd be that sudden outbreak, always wondered that before (and yes! makes sense Max Normal would be ok! great reference).
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2014
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    Ok. Another thing to consider. What's the safest place to be during World 2.0? Submarine? Falklands?
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    -submarine
    -Falklands
    -St Helena
    -Tristan da Cunha
    -Svalbard
    -Remote parts of Greenland, Canada, Alaska, Russia and Australian Outback
    -Some tiny Caribbean or Pacific islands
    -Deep in the Amazon
    -Deep in the Himalayas
    -Sahara Desert
    -Kalahari Desert
    -Gobi Desert
    -North Sentinel Island, in the Indian Ocean
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2014
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    @MrBogey
    I think a military bunker (like NORAD in Quisling) would perhaps be the safest place, since in Wish You Were Here we saw that the infection could be transferred through animals and a well-stocked bunker would be free from infection. However, you will run out of supplies eventually...
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2014 edited
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    Military bunkers:

    -France: Centre d'Opération des Forces Aériennes Stratégiques (COFAS), a hardened command centre for French nuclear forces at Taverny Air Base in Taverny, Val d'Oise. Alternate national command center located at Mont Verdun near Lyon. The hardened headquarters of Force Océanique Stratégique (FOST), France's nuclear SSBN fleet, is at Houilles, Yvelines.
    -UK: primary British COG headquarters is at the Ministry of Defence in Whitehall. Service command centres are Northwood for the Royal Navy Trident SSBN force, and RAF High Wycombe for the Royal Air Force.
    -USA: Besides NORAD, there's Mount Weather for FEMA and Raven Rock for the Pentagon. Also United States Strategic Command Center (Offutt Air Force Base) for United States Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM).
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2014
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    Speaking of military bunkers, is the one that Gordon Brown's held up in in The Thin Red Line a real place?
    • CommentAuthor111111
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2014
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    Speaking of bunkers I found a little strange the way smokey took over norad bunker. They had cameras an lights working but only st the bunker door? I bet the whole area is filled with cameras and sensors and they could easily spotted the crossed. Smokey shoud of been really near for him to throw bags of shit inside, and another thing is the norad bunker fitted only with just 2 doors? Once you get past them there are no other chambers protected by big safe metal doors?
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2014
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    Only one explanation for the attack on NORAD, suspension of disbelief an approach you have to take all too often with crossed stories.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
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    Well, looks like an airbase in Russia had its water supply infected. While that doesn't mean everyone's water was, it's definitely nice when a prediction by fans turns out to be true.
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    Yeah, that definitely sounds interesting.

    And I concur with 111111 and AlexGB about the fall of NORAD, that (in addition to how the National Guardsmen were taken out - they went down way too easily, even for "weekend warriors") was by far the weakest bit in Quisling. Cheyenne Mountain probably has a jillion different surveillance cameras, motion detectors and the like all over the place. Even after months of isolation, enough of them should have still been functioning that they would have spotted Smokey's horde a mile away. It would have been far more believable that NORAD would have fallen due to the contagion breaking out inside, as was indeed implied at first when Oliver saw the bodies of all the infected military personnel outside the doorway. Even then, the Mountain probably has sections that can be sealed off...

    By contrast, the fall of Fort George in WYWH was handled far better, and even when being annihilated the Black Watch were no pussies, as it seems to be implied that they and the Inverness horde essentially wiped each other out.
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    In badlands 53 background chatter in the operations room confirms my hypothesis that units were informed of the bio hazard risk and not to approach infected without protective gear, so the scenario of reaction forces in London being unprotected is shown to be erroneous. I love the Crossed idea but cant help but feel I am far to often asked to believe things that I know are just to displaced from reality :-/
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    About the forces in London, maybe not everyone got the memo about the biohazard risk. Everything seems to have fairly quickly all over the world, so maybe not everyone heard about it?
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    They got the orders to deploy against a bio hazard yet took no precautions even though they would have had NBC literally attached to their belts. Of course even if they had worn protective measures nothing would have change the outcome of millions of frenzied lunatics throwing themselves fearlessly at their guns till they ran out of ammo or jammed and just rolled over them like a tide.
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    Also, something that I just realised about WYWH: almost everything we read is from Shaky's POV, as we're supposedly reading his diary. The number of times that we have observed events that happened completely outside of Shaky's "field of vision", so to speak, have been extremely few - the one that comes to mind is Jasper making his way towards Cava while tailed by Ashoke.

    So the image of British troops fighting the Crossed without NBC gear in the flashback might not have necessarily been how it actually happened; rather, it's how Shaky imagined it happen - and we already have examples of Shaky's imagination being proved wrong, like how he originally imagined Fort George had been overrun.
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    That's a possibility, another flashback error is in "Whatsisname"s story where he recounts having been in prison at the start of the outbreak. The prison shown bears no resemblance to a British, it has barred front cells and the inmates wear orange overalls. I have assumed that this was merely artist error but maybe it is as you suggest Shakeys minds view of prison.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    While I'm pretty fond of the "Shaky's point of view" theory for events he didn't witness, it's pretty clear that he witnessed the British soldiers attack the Crossed without protective gear. My guess for this is that the virus was spreading way too fast for the soldiers to gather the proper gear, or, since London is such a heavily populated city, perhaps one of the higher ups -- in the hopes that he could save his family -- rushed his soldiers to save London.
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    NBC is not issued as required in the British Army but is standard and given to you at the same time as your boots and beret. If they had time to get issued live ammunition they certainly had time to get their noddy suit out their Bergen and your respirator is attached to your webbing already. None of this explains my other "issue", which is the presence of Challengers in a civil disorder response or the fact they were issued with anti tank in a situation where no enemy armour is expected. Quartermasters think its their gear and only let go the absolute minimum they think your gonna need.

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