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    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    @AlexGB
    Hmm, then perhaps instead of Shaky just filling in the blanks, this is Shaky embellishing his story. He was, after all, a writer of fiction.
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    That's also possible. Don't get me wrong I love WYWH and look forward to it each week but sometimes I find some of its reality a little hard to swallow. Anyway regardless of whether those troops had NBC or not they would still be dead men, so the result is the same.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    In these dark times when we have little faith in the suspension of disbelief, we must remember Shaky's immortal advice:

    Ignore, ignore, ignore.
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      CommentAuthorkzootron
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    Thank you @Dannykat. Could. Not. Agree. More.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2014
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    @kzootron
    Wait, on this one or on the other?
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2014
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    @ AlexGB

    I think we have to give some leeway to the story. I'm going to put down the military response being a bit confused and not everyone getting all the appropriate equipment and support due to the chaos.

    My area is biology related and I know under normal circumstances that there's never going to be an infective agent with a transmission vector and effect like the Crossed virus for a whole host of reasons but I let that slide for story purposes but also, they've very sensibly left the very beginning of the cause unstated and they're never going to tell us. That gives us some room to work with.

    From a purely technical point of view, I'm guessing the early scenes of WYWH with the Armed Forces in London had been done before Garth Ennis had planned his arcs where the talk of NBC gear and what exactly Garth Ennis had in mind for what the government knew had come up. I'm sure if we went through all the different stories, there'd be some seeming contradictions with a number of things. I'm sure there's a series bible but it probably doesn't cover everything that's thought of and a few possible contradictions creep in a result. Finally, the writers aren't doctorate level experts on science, military functions and command structures and so on so I don't expect absolutely everything to be absolutely perfect.
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    Since it's now established that C-Day occurred in the summer of 2008, I'd be interested to read a Crossed arc that took place in either Iraq or Afghanistan on C-Day, to see how the American and Allied forces coped with the sudden onslaught of hordes of howling maniacs (and likely with large chunks of their own men infected as well). There'd probably be at least one scene of US troops and local insurgents/Taliban holed up together in some location, desperately trying to hold the infected at bay.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2014
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    @Babu Dhakal
    I can't remember where it got mentioned, but didn't the Middle East get nuked at some point? Not that that discounts a story set in Afghanistan; it would be pretty interesting to see a story where we know that no matter how many Crossed the heroes kill, they're going to die anyways.
    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2014
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    FWIW, the Olympics were held in late summer 2008 in Beijing. I don't know how the trademark issue would work in a comic but I can imagine the mayhem with that.

    Not to mention Russia was invading Georgia and Pakistan was in turmoil due to the resignation of Musharraf, IIRC.

    I had to look up the date to confirm but the Russian flip occurred on May 7, 2008. So we have mid to late-May as the earliest for the outbreak.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2014
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    Hmm, if C-Day occurred in the same year that Crossed was published, would this mean that C-Day itself happened on August 6th: the day it was released?
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2014
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    @MrBogey
    I remember that the Olympics was pretty defensive when it came to the use of their logo on even news networks. So I'd imagine they'd be pretty cross (I couldn't resist) if it appeared in Crossed.
    • CommentAuthorBabu Dhakal
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2014 edited
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    @Dannykat

    The Iraq story could occur in the lead-up to the nuking. That could be a plot point; the protagonists somehow find out that a nuclear attack is imminent, and so are in a race not only to escape the Crossed, but also to get into a shelter before the missiles hit.

    Also, I'm totally for C-Day happening on the day the real life Crossed was released. There could even be some meta involved: on C-Day a new comic series written by Garth Ennis was set to be released, only it never happened on account of the Crossed...

    Checking wikipedia, on August 6th the president of Mauritania was deposed in a military coup. The following day the South Ossetia War began - or would have begun, in this case, had not C-Day intervened. And the day after that - the 8th - the Beijing Olympics would have begun...
    • CommentAuthorAlexGB
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2014
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    Gordon Brown was on Holiday the week of the 6th August 2008
    • CommentAuthorBadBeast
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2014
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    Off topic and shit, regarding the "Gideon Welles" character in the earlier Crossed arc about the seminar workshop for would-be writers, Is it just me, or was Welles supposed to be a caricature of Grant Morrison? If it's just me, then there's no surprises there. If it WAS a deliberate nod to Morrison, then props to the creators, it was funny as fuck. Also, I wonder if Morrison reads "Crossed" at all, and if he does, did he made the connection?
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      CommentAuthorkzootron
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2014
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    @dannykat mysteries, mysteries, mysteries. Ignore, ignore, ignore.
    It's a graphic novel, not an oral history.
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      CommentAuthorkzootron
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2014 edited
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    @badbeast I couldn't find the exact article or interview about Gideon being a play on Morrison but I'm certain I saw that somewhere but cannot recall. It wouldn't surprise me though, grant Morrison has made a personal appearance in lots of other comics. I like his writing a lot, especially New Xmen and all-star superman. He's quite an odd fellow. It'd be interesting to see his take on crossed.
    • CommentAuthorBadBeast
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2014
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    Yeah, Morrison has absolutely no respect for the fourth wall whatsoever. Whichever side of it he's on, you just know that bastard's going to end up with a big hole in it. In fact, Morrison probably subconsciously implanted the idea to "include all/any references to him" in any comic memetically in The Invisibles. ( As soon as the dust cloud from the "wankathon" debacle cleared. sales figures started to pick up) Get someone else to write him in, just so he could kick down the Fourth Wall from the INSIDE.

    Shit, it's Grant Morrison we're talking about. He probably started doing that shit way back in "Zenith" when he still had hair.
    • CommentAuthorHaggy
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2014
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    Any plans for a Crossed-Stitched crossover?

    And if the virus is evolving, does that imply there could be regional differences in the Crossed depending on who the Patient Zero was? Like some regions of Crossed could have more of their wits about them or be into procreating, etc.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2014
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    @Haggy
    Maybe, but I don't think it would make much of a difference in the long run; all the clues we've gotten about super Crossed point to them being exceptionally rare.
    • CommentAuthorDannykat
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2014
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    @Haggy
    As for a Crossed-Stitch crossover, I just don't see it happening. They are radically different universes, and if the Stitched were introduced (who we know to definitely be supernatural in origin) the implication would point to the Crossed being supernatural as well.