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    • CommentAuthorMrBogey
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2014
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    IMO, when you get down to it, self-control is a series of tricks you learn. Certain conditioning you pick up or practice. Like holding your breath. You learn little ways to make it last longer with each gulp.

    There's a biochemical component to it all. Who's to say that practiced perfection will hold when your brain has been ripped wide open by a process beyond your control? Just because you have perfect elocution doesn't mean you'll be a good speaker after a stroke shuts down a few brain cells in the right spot.
    • CommentAuthorShan
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2014
     (11301.2)
    @ MrBogey

    From the point of view of my religion, we're talking a tiny number of people who've ever existed over thousands of years who've reached perfect enlightenment (in my opinion, probably the only people who'd have any chance of completely resisting the compulsion of this particular affliction).

    At any given point in time, you'd probably be lucky to fill a four door hatchback and more than likely there may be none of them on this Earth at any given time. I based this theory on this fact that there's been a few examples of partial control in different story arcs but they're still all sadists. In theory if partial control is possible, maybe someone should exhibit total control and these would be my best possibilities for succeeding in that department.

    Of course I totally agree it's not the only way to make it. A crude parallel, some people might spend all their lives learning a martial art but get beaten in a fight by someone who's never had any training. There's a degree of natural intrinsic talent involved (also it helps if you're 6'8" and lift several hundred pounds in this scenario, I could study hand to hand combat for several decades and still get a curb stomping).
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    @ Shan

    Well, what about this scenario:

    Years of training to repress your human nature in hopes of enlightenment actually makes you even more viable to be consumed by it's effects (the crossed virus). Imagine the average monk crossed finally being free of the need to seek the said enlightenment and being free to do whatever he wants.

    I think this scenario is more realistic considering the Japan Badlands arc and the fact that (I could be wrong on this, please feel free to correct me) the "smarter" crossed seemed to have been douches in the pre-crossed world (I think this was also mentioned in Badlands where the leader crossed was a black fireman, the resident genius of the group said something along those lines. I read that issue a long time ago so I could be wrong).
    • CommentAuthorHardCory
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2014
     (11301.4)
    Si said something very interesting in his response to Shan. It is very true that regardless of how strong we seem outwardly, or the height that we see ourselves, the Crossed virus knocks those superficial walls down and lifts the sad veil, to expose who we really are. For instance, the monk example and how he could fail miserably when turned, because even though from the outside he appeared quite strong, there were many doubts or weaknesses left in him. Or maybe the Crossed virus attacks part of his mental state that he has never thought to build walls around.

    Where as the normal civilian, who maybe lived on the streets, and had to live with very little and stay strong mentally, might be able to resist much of the ferocity of the Crossed virus and possibly even turn it into their strength in a much different way.

    I really enjoyed thinking of the virus' effects in that way, regardless of whether this is what you meant.
    Thank you, Si.
    • CommentAuthormaxnutter
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2014
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    I can't help but think that the Gamekeeper is keeping Shaky busy whilst the X-Crossed are up to something nasty in the background, like maybe surrounding Shaky, or taking out the rest of the survivors on Cava...
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    I don't want to be that guy, but human beings minus civilization are basically hunter-gatherers. YMMV with hunter-gatherers, and I'm certainly not promoting the so-called "noble savage" stereotype here, but crossed-like isn't the first thing that comes to mind. If anything crossed-like behavior is often a hallmark feature of civilization. From the arenas of the Romans, via the pyramids of the Mayans to the industrial death machine of the Nazis, people are often the most crossed-like during the height of their civilization.

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