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      CommentAuthorTed
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008
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    Prof Structure:

    It is an issue of stereotyping Mancunians as if they all say 'fook'


    No, it's showing a single individual. You're generalising here by saying if one is doing it, they all must be.

    Just because many don't say "fook" doesn't mean they all don't. Should I tell my friends who use regional accents and/or dialect words they're saying it wrong? (The answer from my point of view is "yes," and I do, but I'm not objectively right to do so.)
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    Hate to be a nitpicker, but if you have a regional accent and come from manchester, you're bloody likely to say 'fook'. A cliche or archetype is only weak if it's being used without knowledge or purpose, and it's not inherantly bad writing to employ frequently used techniques like written accents (no matter what 'the paper' says about avoiding them). Especially if they amuse me.
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      CommentAuthorLBA
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008
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    excellent.
    I finally recover from the crud that's had me in bed for 2 straight days and this is waiting for me.
    so far I love it
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    Yeah, I'm liking this. And damn, Paul's art is lovely.

    Warren, I'm curious -- what are your personal guidelines as far as how many words you can fit in a balloon, panel or page? I'm curious what they are for regular comics as well as for the FreakAngels format.
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    Well, I'll let it fookin' go f'now but I couldn't resist this slice from the Urban Dicitonary:

    fookin fuckin
    1. fookin

    The result of someone with a Mancunian accent trying to say the word 'fucking'

    "Oi, ya fookin' bastard ya!
    by Martin Thomas Jul 9, 2003 email it

    2. fookin

    The oh-so-cooler way to say fucking, not as a verb, but as an adjective/adverb.

    Person 1: Bish, are you fo' real?!

    Person 2: FOOKIN RIGHT I AM FO' REAL, SLUH!
    tags fuckin fook fucking sluh bish
    by Christian Waters Everywhere Oct 8, 2006 email it
    3. fookin

    All you can eat Chinese buffet in Belfast. "It's only a fookin' fiver!"

    Richard: "Oh, lets have some lunch".
    Ciara: "OK... where?"
    Richard: "I know - Fookin".
    Ciara: "Great - let's go!"
    Vicki: "I like ducks."
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    One Question, is this intended to run on indefinitely, or is there some sort of end in sight for the series? Obviously not any time soon, but I'm still unsure on whether this is an ongoing project or something more self-contained...

    So far I think its great. The Art is consistent and high caliber and I can't wait to read some more.
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    The whole "fookin" thing makes me wonder on where we are here: is the language aspect a problem? I would suggest two reason why not:

    1. It's set in the (a) future so things may have changed!

    2. The comic is in the WorldSpaceThing and, please, who gives a toss whether the accent is bang on other than "the locals". At least it's an accent! [note: I'm from the north east of England and any diss on this sense would probably make me feel angry due to local patriotism, if I'm honest; we are who we are!)

    3. [sic] I;m drunk, so feel free to igonre the above. Fully.
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    I really do think we're going to see Freakangels cosplay, these young women are clad in some of the most fashionable armor I've ever seen.

    I second what someone said upthread, this is really getting me excited about the webcomic as a solid delivery form.
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    Were the page transcripts there last week? I can't for the life of me remember if they were.
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      CommentAuthorIan Mayor
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008
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    I'm enjoying it so far, you can't really fault free, beautiful, webcomics. Add retro flying machines, psychic powers and an eerily flooded London and I'm sold. Nice to get a webcomic that isn't built on the one page (or even three panel) pay-off too.

    As for Fook, as a Mancunian in exile that reads more Yorkshire to me but I understand the shorthand and couldn't really give a fuck. I was more offended by the Man utd shirt (but that's a tribal thing).
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    Sorry I'm late: my review on Newsarama.

    In a nutshell: "No, of course I didn't. I threw a full one". Need I say more?
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    @Andy McGregor
    "Are there any writers who don't sound the same if you read enough of them?"
    Just to be clear, you are asking me in the context of one writer sounding like himself, rather than one writer sounding like others, right? Because that's how I'm viewing it.

    There are many millions of writers who have come to pass through generations and generations, I'd dare to say: Yes. :) That is a common attribute to a writer, though, for their writing to read in similar ways and have an overall flow that in some way could seem familiar. And even so, it can be a good thing for the 'recognition', if that is indeed the aim in frequenting such a style.
    It can be, but is not entirely, a question of accepting a style. At least not in this case. You see, I was trying to make a point more specific than writing styles. And that point is in the dialogue. When I say that two characters in one book could be two entirely different characters from another book and still read as if they were the same people (*read*, as in 'speak'), I'm not generalizing the writing to style alone, but the speech.

    It seems--forgive me--amateurish. I'm not trying to start an argument by saying that, it's just an observation. I'm only clarifying what was my point to begin with.

    *Whew. I wrote WAY too much to have said something so ridiculously unimportant.*
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    @ Tyler

    I think from a writer's point of view, finding a unique voice for each and every character is one of the hardest things to do (although I'm no proffessional writer, it's what I find hardest, I'd be curious to know what Warren has to say). Many famous or celebrated writers could be accused of the same thing (I'm thinking of Herman Hesse particularly, whose characters evidently include vast amounts of self-insertion, often read similarly and he's by no means the only example I can come up with), so I wouldn't describe it as amateurish, it just means the emphasis is elsewhere.
    For comics with a separate artist and writer though, dialogue is an especially tricky thing imo, since half of language is a visual thing (their expression, their posture, their attitude). So even if in your opinion a character *reads* similarly to another Ellis character, you don't just read a comic... visuals and language need to be taken in respect to each other in order to really "hear" a character speak. And if you still find the individuality weak, then at least it's free! XD
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    Comics need more fookin' northerners. I'm from Leeds so I barely consider Manchester as part of the North but it's still nice to see. Great art and there's enough story development to keep me reading happily enough. Good stuff all round. Also it's free and that makes me very, very happy.
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      CommentAuthormuse hick
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008
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    sometimes the reason that the characters might sound the same is that they might come from similar backgrounds -- it happens with people so why not with characters? from character to character there is difference within what we have seen already -- KK and Connor have distinct personalities and they stand out differently from Alice. i understand that's what's being said is that they bear resemblance to characters from other stories but perhaps that is because they have things in common -- simple as that.
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    @Paul Duffield Its your and Ellis' comic, they're your characters. Do with 'em whatever you fookin want.
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      CommentAuthormuse hick
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008
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    i meant to add that i am really enjoying the story and after i get my fix every week i am already eager for the next installment -- i can't wait until i have a trade in my hands.
    • CommentAuthorDracko
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    Rootfireember: That's what they seem to be doing.
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    @Dracko- of course. Just voicing my meager support from the peanut gallery.
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    @Paul Duffield
    You know, there's only been so much dialogue anyhow. It may sound like a pre-mature comment, but it's obviously based on first impression. I don't intend to discontinue reading it, and I'd probably buy it if it were on the shelf solely because of it's unique setting and artwork (a great combination). Just saying, in case I'm coming off as being offensive.
    Anyway, when I say 'amateurish', I'm not saying Ellis is an amature at all! It only seemed like something of an amature's problem, having characters blend together and seem to be recycled, in a way. The self-insertion method scrambled across the vast works of a writer like Ellis--who I heard has more comics in print than anyone else in the business--is bound to have some charcters that are seemingly the same. Furthermore, I'm sure you could come up with quite a list of author's who are 'accused of doing the same thing'. But that can't be a goal for a writer, celebrated or not, can it: to have their characters sound the same? I just can't imagine that.

    That's all I have to say, really. Minor things that need much less attention than I give them. :)