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What do you think the significance of Jack The Ripper may be to the Freakangels?
I found this regarding Lambeth Road:About half-past seven o'clock yesterday morning, a horrible discovery was made in Southwark, which tallies with the late discovery at Pimlico. It appears that a lad was walking along Lambeth-road, and, passing the Blind School, which has a garden protected by railing, he noticed a curiously-shaped paper parcel lying on the grass inside the railing. The lad obtained possession of the parcel, and on opening it found it to contain the arm of a woman. It was somewhat decomposed, and had lime thrown over it. The attention of a policeman of the L division was called, and the limb was given into his charge. A bricklayer, named Jim Moore, said to be a reporter:- "At about quarter-past seven this morning I was walking along Lambeth-road, when I saw a poy pick up a parcel through the railings which surrounded the Blind School. He was opening it when I went up, and saw the arm of a young woman, which had been put in lime." The licensed shoeblack who stands at the corner of a public house facing the Blind School, said:- Seeing some people round a parcel which had been fished out of the garden, I went over. The parcel lay opened, and I saw the arm of a woman which had been cut from the body. It was decomposed, and had been laid in lime. The fingers were clutched."
And The Ten Bells Pub, which if you look closely in part 3, you will see is the building atop which Karl has his garden, is the pub which Jack the Ripper is said to have called his local.
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CommentAuthorofftandiscord
- CommentTimeMar 1st 2008
link to the article?
could be related to jack the ripper, also could be because the Ten Bells Pub is right slap bang in the middle of whitechapel...
it's actually on commercial street, which if you look at the whitechapel logo is the top left road on the crossroads there. (even though in real life it's not quite that simple!)
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Those are streets? Well, blow me down...
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CommentAuthorofftandiscord
- CommentTimeMar 1st 2008
yeah, they're streets in the heart of whitechapel, they surround aldgate east tube station, but there's more of a ring road thing in the middle rather than a simple crossroad. -
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i just don't believe in coincidence -- i mean i wondered about the whitechapel thing from the start but then you have two places mentioned in the freakangels story that correspond with ripper sites. has to be something there, no?
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the "23/17 phenomenon"
which if you think 23 years ago the freakangels were born, 6 years ago the world ended -- when they would have been 17
23 / 17 discordian theory -
@muse hick
It appears that the item you quoted above is not relevant to the jack the ripper murders. It just happened to be on the same page of the particular evening standard edition as the 'whitechapel murder' item. The livejournal entry might prove to be more relevant.
As anyone who has read From Hell (and the appendix 'dance of the gull catchers')probably realised, the jack the ripper phenomenon has been extremely resonant with writers for decades, as it constitutes a unique case of fiction encroaching on reality and perception. Witness the countless fictional and attempted factual accounts of the case, not to mention the psychogeographical explorations of the area and the event, in both fiction and non-fiction (sinclair, ackroyd, moore etc.)...having been predominantly a media event, a virtual narrative, it lends itself to discussions (fictional and otherwise) as much of the nature of reality and fiction, as of the nature of english identity and culture.
At the time, the media would not accept or disseminate the idea of jack the ripper being english: he was a jew, a pole or an american. Since the 80s, jack the ripper has been popularised as an english figure, an english phenomenon, both in the virtual space of media induced common perception and as an exposure of the underbelly of the nebulous construct of victorian values, as conceived and promoted by thatcher. At the same time, the east end has been the locus of actual change, following the attempts of thatcherite "urban regeneration", even as it has acquired a polymorphous virtual presence in various discourses. From office blocks to Ripper tours, from yuppie invasions to immigrant folklore, from leftist outrage to thatcherite euphemism, the east end is as much a place of the mind as it is a battleground of poverty, gentrification and tourism.
The thing is that the Jack the Ripper case can be a metaphor for so many ideas. We'll just have to wait and see what Warren chose to do with it, if at all... -
i understand the mutability of the ripper as a metaphor. i found 'from hell' and the research convincing until i read patricia cornwell, which i have also read around and seen why that may be spurious too. i kind of like babylon 5's jack where he worked for the Vorlons. i am just trying to read into what clues are there already and see if i can guess where we might be going. of course i am happy to just be along for the ride. i apologise if i misread something as being relevant when it wasn't -- perhaps a bit of overagerness made me stumble. the ten bells still stands as a reference though and the whole whitechapel thing itself is of interest.
i wonder what people think of the discordian link? i know that's not to do with jack the ripper and purely has to do with some of the numbers mentioned in regards to the freakangels themselves. -
Because I'm a Sherlock Holmes fan - I tend to have all the books where he interfaces with the ripper. There's the movies - the one based on Ellery Queen's "A Study in Terror" as well as "Murder By Decree" ...
the latter bugs me as it makes me think of "From Hell" in a bad way.
There's an oddly horrible book by Edward B. Hanna called "The Whitechapel Horrors" that has one singular interesting novel idea regarding Jack - which is that he used the Underground to get to and fro.
I guess I'll reread some of them now. You bastards! One I don't recommend is Jose Eugenio Soares' A Samba for Sherlock. -
The Ten Bells also used to sell itself on being "Jack the Ripper's local" and, before it became the trendy downtempo lounge (that sounds ridiculous, but Christ knows how you would actually describe it) that it is today, they had press cuttings and such on the walls regarding their most notorious supposed-regular. It's certainly integral to bits of Ripper stories as they're told locally (i.e. by people who've lived in the East End for a long time, rather than heard on a Ripper walk).
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CommentAuthorPaul Duffield
- CommentTimeMar 3rd 2008
To be honest, I think the ten bells just happens to be a well known location in Whitechapel... although the staff were very rude to me when I went searching there for reference; wouldn't let me take photos inside, and obviously didn't believe I was doing it for research purposes. I enjoyed drawing their bar in ruins with a trash-garden sprouting out of the top.
Do anything to do with anything in London and you're bound to find incidental Jack the Ripper links. -
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'Specially that bit. Everyone loves a serial murderer in Whitechapel. Sorry to hear they were rude to you, Paul - I think it's chic to be a twat amongst the Shoreditch crowd. As I've posted elsewhere, I remember when it was staffed by a slightly saturnine old boy and a proper London barmaid who properly remembered a large round the first time you bought it, and on Friday lunchtimes, had some cheerful cockney lasses to take their clothes off for a quid in the jug.
Course, as I've also already recounted, I didn't figure what she was collecting for, but thought she was quite fit, and putting in a fiver might get me her phone number. Phone number, no. Excellent view, on the other hand... -
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CommentAuthorwarrenellis
- CommentTimeMar 3rd 2008
What do you think the significance of Jack The Ripper may be to the Freakangels?
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