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    Those are damn good credits - very well put together.
    • CommentAuthorDracko
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    If Peter Berg is doing this, then all hope is lost.
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      CommentAuthorPyD
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008
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    I liked The Kingdom. Until the last 15-20 minutes, it's brilliant.

    Really, the last act action scenes were really well paced and well edited while all the preceeding politicing was pretty much needlessly oversimplified nonsense and pretty much moot after the impact of the title sequence.


    This really could go either way - directors change when doing sci-fi - just ask Danny Boyle.
    • CommentAuthorDracko
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2008 edited
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    <em>The Kingdom</em> was laughably cynical revisionism overall.

    Same old nonsense about Americans showing us lesser "fer'neirs" how it's done.

    The only reason I went to see it is because Michael Mann produced it, but sadly, it was never meant to be genuinely cerebral for a minute. The final note is practically comedy in just how bad it is.
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      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2008
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    Indeed. "Send men, to summon, WOOOOOORRRRRRRRRMZ..." is the best thing SciFi Channel has ever done.

    I think the reason I liked the miniseries so much is that it gave the book more breathing room. I'm convinced that novels should be made into miniseries, and short stories should be made into movies, and Dune is a very good example of that. You need to get the intrigue, the exposition, and the character development in. I think the thing that bothered me the most about the Lynch version was that montage about 2/3 through the movie showing how Paul really becomes Muad'Dib. The miniseries doesn't exactly show more, it just shows the right scenes in the same amount of time. And it doesn't show it through an artful, but kinda distracting waterdrop filter.

    Since we're on the subject of Dune adaptations: I might be alone in this, but I've tinkered with the idea of making a comic adaptation of Dune, purely for my own amusement. Does anyone think the first book would translate well into a graphic novel or comic miniseries? Better or worse than a film adaptation?
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    @Artemis_of_OZ:

    Ok. "Dune" would translate well into anything. I would even DRAW a dune OGN because I love it too much. But look, another "Dune" film doesn't need to be made for another ten 2 twenty years. Even 30 yrs.

    I luv "Dune". It has the potential to be the sauce 4 a film adaptation. But really, David Lynch did the film. It had Sean Young before she went crazy. Think about how hot she was.

    The sad part is that I really luv "Dune" for the concept of SPICE. Gimmie SPICE.
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      CommentAuthorSteve
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2008
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    Dune really does need room to breathe to get all of the intrigue in. I always thought the best route for it would be an anime series. Each book could be done as a 24 episode series. With that much room, you might even be able to expand on some of the story arcs. Of course in a perfect world, doing the same in a live action show would be sweet too.
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    Since we're on the subject of Dune adaptations: I might be alone in this, but I've tinkered with the idea of making a comic adaptation of Dune, purely for my own amusement. Does anyone think the first book would translate well into a graphic novel or comic miniseries? Better or worse than a film adaptation?

    Ever seen the movie adaptation that Bill Sienkiewicz did?
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    Ever seen the movie adaptation that Bill Sienkiewicz did?

    Written by Ralph Macchio. It's a pretty thing.
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    Ever seen the movie adaptation that Bill Sienkiewicz did?

    No. And I need to find a copy of it, right now.
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    "Ever seen the movie adaptation that Bill Sienkiewicz did?"

    No. Oh me God. Must have!
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      CommentAuthorconner
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2008 edited
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    As orwellseyes notes, it has THE GREATEST PERFORMANCE EVER IN THE WORLD (to feature the word "wooooorrrrmms"). Berkoff and Susan Sarandon bite off great big chunks of scenery whenever they appear. But, you know, it's actually not terrible. It has changes, and compressions, and at least one performance that should never ever have been printed, but it's the closest thing to Frank Herbert's Dune that's ever been on the screen. The CG scenes that open the "chapters" of the mini, accompanied by an excellent theme (that's now ripped off for movie trailers all the time), are really very good, with ornithopters swooping around Arrakeen and that...
    There's certainly a limitation to the production, but I have to agree that it's as close to Frank Herbert's Dune as has (yet) been put to film.

    There are a few different leitmotifs from this soundtrack that absolutely lodge themselves in your brain. Every time I watch the one montage of births and deaths ('settling the score', as it were), I have the vocal arrangement jammed in my head for weeks.
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    I love the Children of Dune series quite a lot. Probably because I came backasswards into things and watched that first, then read the books, then watched the movie and the Dune TV series. Of course I'd seen Lynch's movie yonks before but it never really snagged me as much as the Children of Dune series did.

    Which may or may not have something to do with James McAvoy's shirtlessness being greater than Sting's, but that's entirely subject to your personal tastes.

    I agree about Gurney Halleck though, he took about five times longer to say his lines than he should have done. Hopefully they don't repeat that concept in the new movie.
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      CommentAuthorSJD
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2008
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    I liked Lynch's version many, many years ago when I caught it on TV. (the unauthorized extended version.)

    I read the book a few years ago and had trouble getting into it. It felt like pulling teeth for some reason. Maybe it was because I was reading it while training at AIT in the Army. Were the latter books better? Should I try it again now that I'm not being beaten down physically and mentally?

    I'm debating whether I should give the books another try, or if the whole franchise is just something I don't get.
    • CommentAuthorNecros
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2008
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    I recommend reading the first 3 books. After that they kind of run off the rails.
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      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2008
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    @Jonathan Hickman

    Thank you, SIR. I will do my best to track a copy of that down. I was thinking of doing one using an entirely new aesthetic sense for the story, but I definitely want to read that just to see how well it translates.

    @SJD

    I had to re-read it twice before I really, really got it, so it's not surprising. After I got the first book, though, I was off to the races with Messiah and Children. I think its just a matter of getting to know what Herbert's really trying to do - once you get that, the story isn't that tough. Having never been in the military I can't say whether going through infantry training would make reading harder, but I imagine it would. If you've got more leisure time, I would recommend giving it another whack.

    Though I must agree with Necros - the later books are still very good, but God Emperor and everything after makes a very swift turn to starboard and becomes something very different. Give them a try if you liked the first three, but read as if you were reading a totally different series by the same author.
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    Peter Berg did Welcome to the Jungle with modern day renaissance man Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson and the likable oaf's likable oaf, Seann William Scott. I enjoy that film in a let's-get-lit-and-watch-The-Rock-spear-tackle-a-concrete-pillar kind of way but I'm not sure how well that'll translate to a desert-bound sci-fi epic.
    • CommentAuthorzacharius
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2008
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    I love Dune in a totally unhealthy way. But I honestly see only two ways you could do this: either you make a four hour+ film and throw everything up on the screen at a pace and level of complexity that would make primer look like pirates of the carribean or you do a 12 hour miniseries on hbo or showtime and just let it breathe and spend lots of time on the imagery and the ideas and get all the layers in there.

    It just does my head in when they take a novel that it explicitly about the dangers of crushing all the complexities of humanity into a singular heroic narrative, and crush it down into movies about a single heroic narrative. do you suppose this time they'll actually touch on how paul spends half the book trying to prevent exactly what happens at the end?
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    I love Lynch's Dune, I even love Alan Smithee's extended TV edit. Except for that Toto soundtrack...
    It's a deeply flawed film, and the ending is so completely horribly wrong... but I still love it. It sticks with me. Voices whisper in my head, "The Spice... The Worms..."
    The image of Alia raising her krisknife against the background of battle after killing the Baron - amazing. I can't look at Stilgar without seeing Big Ed from Twin Peaks, though.

    I thought they did a good job with the SciFi Channel version, at least they captured more of the story, the design and effects were good, the casting adequate (though Stilgar was still wrong), and they frankly didn't embarass themselves. And I liked Children of Dune, especially how they redeemed the disappointing Dune Messiah by wrapping it into Children of Dune.

    (Don't know if anyone needs to make a new version, though. Just like no one needed to make a new version of Solaris.)
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      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
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    I rather liked the Toto music by itself, but yes, it is mis-used throughout the film.