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    Talk about "Adapting" and "Warding off Futureshock". These idiots are causing their own demise by refusing to accept they are wrong (and insane...the BAD kind of insane).
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      CommentAuthorunderdog
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007 edited
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    When I see stuff like this, I'm always reminded of one of my favourite parts of the West Wing, when the president notices someone in an event who uses the bible to call homosexuality an abomination:
    "I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing: while you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits. "


    I love that Louis Theroux documentary, I'd encourage everyone to watch it. The adults in that organisation are lost, and should be sterilised and locked away in a tiny box with a family of badgers with urinary tract infections, but their kids should be taken away from them asap and given to a family who will teach them about such novel ideas as "love" and "understanding".
    • CommentAuthortitivil
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
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    Even more frustrating than their inexplicable beliefs and their horrifying tactics (protesting funerals of both hatecrime victims and war casualties) is the fact that they are absolutely unreachable by rational and/or unreachable discourse. In the ten or so years that I've been hearing/reading of these feckless idiots, I've never once heard of a lapsed Phelps making the rounds, describing the horrors inside, etc. (If there was one, would love to hear of it.)

    Their ideology is entirely circular, and anyone that disagrees is as hate-able by God as the fags they placard about. For instance, the dude in the photo above standing between "he's" and "gay" -- you think that hurt his feelings at all? You think he lost a minute's sleep? Even our American Klan gets pissed off and rushes the protesters, sometimes (not to invite any kind of moral equivalency of evil discussion).

    They are some scary fuckers only in that they are utterly reprogrammed -- zombies that are already here.
    • CommentAuthorKinesys
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
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    You know, I used to think church burnings were horrible.
    What a difference a decade can make.
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    They are some scary fuckers only in that they are utterly reprogrammed -- zombies that are already here.


    I believe that's why the last 20 seconds or so are so reprehensible. It's as if you're seeing the indoctrination in realtime, how it works, how it starts; how it can be so completely and totally ingrained into their minds. They have a self imposed control-society that perpetuates itself through constant fear and righteousness. And they start it before individuals can make basic value judgments.

    The scary part is that their certainty in how justified they are probably gives at least some of them extreme peace of mind. For them there is no existential quandary, no waffling on moral issues, no burden of independent judgment, no guilt. In a horrible, almost ethically unthinkable way, they are free.

    I think there is an attractiveness that permeates that kind thinking; an attraction to the idea that one might never be culpable for one's actions. If you want to reach people like that, you'll have to provide a viable alternative to the bliss of blind faith, of enforced ignorance. I imagine, that to them, virtually nothing is worth braving the doubt that challenging their faith would require. Their entire world makes sense, and all they have to do is not think.
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      CommentAuthorARES
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
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    Anyone see Jesus Camp? Scary stuff, about as much as it was funny.

    My favourite part was the 9 year old who said (paraphasing of course): "When I was 5 years old I realized my life wasn't very satisying, so I came to god." Now he preaches to other kids. Don't play kickball or with LEGOs or anything, jesus fucking christ.
    • CommentAuthorNil
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
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    *shudders*

    That video - horrible and terrifying as it was - is going on my regular viewing list. Living as I do in a thankfully fairly open, liberal community, it's easy to forget that people like that are out there. Watching that has just kicked the old anger back into gear, and that's exactly what I need.
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      CommentAuthorAdmiral Neck
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007 edited
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    screaming meat
    @oddcult

    the Lord always provides

    Man, we're so unimaginative we have to copy even the really shitty ideas coming out of America, don't we. I've been dancing the happy dance over the failure of Christian Voice's suit against the BBC for screening Jerry Springer The Opera, but reading that page I see they're going to appeal. This kind of thing is what actually makes the baby Jesus cry, if you'll forgive an old man for reaching for a worn-out internet cliche.

    Perhaps someone here can make up a t-shirt that says, "Nobody rocks the cock like Fred Phelps", a la Krysta Now in Southland Tales.
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      CommentAuthorZachary Cole
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007 edited
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    underdog: I do think that Brtlet wouln't oppose seeing his brother stoned to death. Ole Jebodiah remembers being trapped in a meat locker...

    ;)

    - Zachary -
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      CommentAuthorJohn Smith
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
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    @Kosmopolit -- "They set out deliberately to provoke people into assaulting them then they sue them."

    Well it wouldn't surprise me. Fred and his daughter are both lawyers, I believe.
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    @admiral neck

    I actually e-mailed this to them. Strangely, no reply.

    @underdog

    The bible also condones incest which is funny considering... Genesis 19:30-35 Bible fans!
    • CommentAuthorElohim
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
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    I believe Fred Phelps got his licence revoked for being a total arsehole - and a perjurer if memory serves...
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    There is a God *drum roll*
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    screaming meat, good work. I checked out your blog before and saw you'd been discussing it, and it was good to know that someone else was keeping an eye on them. Always worthwhile to keep watching the idiots. I guess Britain's fundamentalists aren't going to help us out by attending funerals with hate-slogans so we know where they are (they just stand around outside Television Centre instead).
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    They'll get to it eventually, Admiral. I have to admit I am addicted to God TV. Few shows make me laugh (in both fear and amusement) so much.

    It's like watching a doomsday clock.

    Anyway, television centres good. Tall buildings, lots of sniper spots.
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    I live in the city those nimrods have their base of operations in (Topeka, KS). For better or worse they are just ignored around here and are on pretty much media black out. Because of that they don't protest around here much at all. Remember we've also been dealing with these idiots since the late 80's and Fred Phelps his whole life. They have a walled compound smack dab in the middle of the city that has more surviellance cameras then your average airport, still they are constant targets of graffitti and vandalisim.

    Anyone else notice that Fred wasn't in that music video? (That I saw anyway),

    Anyway, two of Fred's sons left and disowned him. His son Mark wrote a letter to the city paper disowning him. His other son wrote a book talking about growing up in WBC but I couldn't find a link for it. Several other of his family members have also tried to detach themselves from WBC with varyinig degrees of success.
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      CommentAuthorLBA
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2007
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    there has to be a more powerful word than disgust to describe how I feel about those people, I just can't think of it.
    • CommentAuthorsacredchao
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2007
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    I hate that man so much. I often wish horrible things on people, Michael Vick being another current recipient of my completely impotent wrath, and many an idle hour has been spent wishing testicular cancer and gay drug addict prostitutes on Fred Phelps.

    If only karma was real...