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    Came out this week? Thoughts, comments, projectile vomiting?

    MISERABLE ENGLISH SPOILERS beyond this point, obviously.

    -- W
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      CommentAuthormojojoseph
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2008
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    Would love to talk about this, tomorrow, when my stupid comic store stocks it.
    Already know I'm loving Wisdom though, from the previews alone. Seriously, no one should write Pete Wisdom but Ellis or Paul Cornell. Everyone else just feels wrong
    • CommentAuthordeadhuman
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2008
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    Awesome description of a would be birth of a super-soldier program. Excellent Wisdom/Leader origin/motivation. But I don't understand the "Present" scene?
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    @Warren

    Have you read any of the Queen & Country stuff by Greg Rucka? This issue reminded me that I have been missing that book for a while now. Also, was wondering if there are any books or tv series that you could recommend that have a similar sort of realistic not ridiculously over dramatized SIS basis.

    Also, this series suddenly got a lot more interesting with this issue. Good stuff.
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    Have you read any of the Queen & Country stuff by Greg Rucka? This issue reminded me that I have been missing that book for a while now.

    I wrote the introduction to the first Queen & Country collection, man. And Q&C, and this issue, have the same root -- the British TV show THE SANDBAGGERS. Go to Google, and lose hours to reading about it.
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    This issue reminded me that I have been missing that book for a while now.


    Volume two is 2009-2010 according to Rucka; and allot of us have been missing it - to say the least. SANDBAGGERS DVDs are available, rather pricey, but Netflix has the entire run.
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      CommentAuthormadmatt213
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2008 edited
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    Thanks all for pointing out more adventures in the SIS! I loved this issue of Ultimate Human #3, and will definitely seek out Sandbaggers (already in my Netflix queue) and will track down Queen & Country trades.
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      CommentAuthorUnsub
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2008
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I found the entire third season of Sandbaggers on Pirate bay. It took weeks to download but was worth it.
    It is also quite helpful in understanding the battle order and things like who is D Int and what are his duties etc.
    It will help you enjoy Q&C even more. Now I need the first 2 seasons. Maybe they will come out on DVD.

    It is plot driven intelligent storylines like this that has won me back over to titles like the mainstream Marvel.

    The parts about how the Deputy Director is selling out for a cushy new job is perfect.
    In this issue if you had given Pete Wisdom a 70's suit a smoke and a bald spot he would have been his alter ego from the Sandbaggers exactly.
    One thing about that show is it always surprised me how they would smoke everywhere. On planes ,at work ,in elevators.
    It must suck to be a smoker nowadys.
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    @Warren
    Sandbaggers. Thanks, I will certainly check it out. And, I didn't read Q&C in trades, so... yeah, I didn't know. :)

    @Jtraub
    Awesome.

    @Madmatt
    If you are into books without pictures then I recommend the Q&C novels as well. I'm sure there is a time line somewhere as to when each novel takes place in the comic series.
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      CommentAuthorUnsub
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2008
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I actually prefer the Q&C novels to the comics. It seems like the stories are just better suited to that medium.
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    "embuggerance"

    Swoon.
    • CommentAuthorHawksmoor
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
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    Question...


    Why in hell didn't you force the head honchos at Marvel to allow you to write Ultimates, vol. 3, Sir?

    I mean, no disrespect to Jeph Loeb, but...you know, you seem to have a slightly better understanding of how the Ultimate reality works. At least that's my humble opinion.

    You could've used lethal hand-sock puppetry to convince them, man.

    You know, ghetto hand-sock puppets with paper mache masks.

    Equipped with balls of cyanide laced government cheese, for God's sake!

    You're losing your venom in your 15-years-before-middle age stage, Mr. Ellis.

    I've got a feeling that in the old days, you'd have simply baked the Higher Ups into a pie and stolen the right to write the book.

    Hawksmoor...From The Bleed.
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    Why in hell didn't you force the head honchos at Marvel to allow you to write Ultimates, vol. 3, Sir?

    Poisoned chalice. Didn't want it.
    • CommentAuthormrph
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2008
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    Liked that one a lot - as a single, it did make me think "not a lot of Hulk or Iron Man" a few minutes after I finished it, but that's fair enough at this point in the story. Stragg was a nice touch, and a little more unexpected than Jack Tarr.

    With the way that the market's shifting (and with your previous comments about this being a story at Marvel's request, with a collection timed for the movies) I'm a little curious about how different formats place their own demands on the pacing - I know that a limited series has a different dynamic, but would you have been able to keep Banner & Stark offstage for so long in #3 if this wasn't already planned for a collection?

    Definitely looking forward to #4.
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    With the way that the market's shifting (and with your previous comments about this being a story at Marvel's request, with a collection timed for the movies) I'm a little curious about how different formats place their own demands on the pacing - I know that a limited series has a different dynamic, but would you have been able to keep Banner & Stark offstage for so long in #3 if this wasn't already planned for a collection?

    I took the whole project as an exercise in pacing, knowing up front that it was timed for a collection and that it'd be sold on the basis of LOOK KIDS IT'S IRON MAN AND HULK!11!!!1. The first two issues read awfully fast, with the three-panel "cinemascope" pages. The pacing switches to six-panel grid whenever we cut to Wisdom. So I knew all along that I'd be changing beat, and doing a chapter that'd be almost all six-grid as counterpoint. It probably takes as long to read #3 as it does to read 1 and 2 combined. Therefore, in collection, the first three chapters would balance out and #4, as the last act, would read as fast as a third act should.

    Which means, yeah, it was written for the collection.
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    I had been following the miniseries and I did a slight doubletake when Warren mentioned that it indulged his SANDBAGGERS fetish. At First I thought it referenced the other kind of "bagging," which given some of the content posted on warrenellis.com, wouldn't be entirely out of the question. However, I noted the term was in ALL CAPS so I deduced it must've been a title rather than act. Reading issue #3 confirmed it for me- must've been a television show (as confirmed here).

    I suppose the way Millar handled the Hulk in Ultimates 1 and 2 also helped shade my thinking. "Madder Hulk gets, Hornier Hulk gets," etc.

    As for the issue, I liked it. It falls squarely within the conceptual lines of the Ultimate Marvel universe-- real world concerns with unreal world superpowered beings. Ultimates 2 dealt with the ramifications of a government sponsored superhero team. Combining Pete Wisdom with the Leader and tying it into the British response to the Ultimates is brilliant. It's what the Ultimate universe was set up for- remixing the Marvel Universe for today.
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    You turned Burnside into The Leader... damn you, sir.
    Great fun sort of watching reading another episode of THE SANDBAGGERS. Maybe you could revive the TV series? Ah, probably too cultish.
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    Issue #4 ships next week.